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    Hello friends, I am pursuing medical education in Caribbeans for my son. He is in 12th standard in CBSE (india) syllabus. Our intention is to study and do residency in US and then practice in US if possible.
    Since getting into US univerisites is difficult, I would like to opt for better Carribbean colleges, by considering 6 years Pre-Med + MD program.
    I would like to get your opinion and advice on the following points.
    1. Is it difficult for an Indian student to do 6 yrs program?
    2. What is the success rate of an Indian student in completing 6 yrs MD and through USMLE Step 1 & Step 2.
    3. Which Caribbean colleges are recognised by Medical Council of India?
    4. Any hidden risks in doing 6 yrs MD in Caribbean colleges?

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    I would suggest he gets an undergrad degree in the States and apply to a US medical school.

    As long as he scores well on his MCAT and has a good GPA, getting into a US medical school might not be as difficult as you assume.

    AUA should be a plan B for most students, not plan A. Nothing against this school, however, the stigma of being a caribbean medical (IMG) grad will limit his residency options.

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    TheFBguy is spot-on. This is especially true if your son is not a US citizen or Green Card holder, which makes residency match in the US even more challenging.

    Compare the match rates for US medical school graduates and foreign medical graduates, add in the published projections from the AAMC and ACGME for increasing numbers of US medical school graduates (via new medical schools and increasing class sizes), and it should become quite apparent that someone who wants to practice medicine in the US should study in the US...

    (EDIT) ...if possible, or their home country as mentioned below. Kudos Terp13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kssgopal View Post
    Hello friends, I am pursuing medical education in Caribbeans for my son. He is in 12th standard in CBSE (india) syllabus. Our intention is to study and do residency in US and then practice in US if possible.
    Since getting into US univerisites is difficult, I would like to opt for better Carribbean colleges, by considering 6 years Pre-Med + MD program.
    I would like to get your opinion and advice on the following points.
    1. Is it difficult for an Indian student to do 6 yrs program?
    2. What is the success rate of an Indian student in completing 6 yrs MD and through USMLE Step 1 & Step 2.
    3. Which Caribbean colleges are recognised by Medical Council of India?
    4. Any hidden risks in doing 6 yrs MD in Caribbean colleges?
    1. It is not difficult in the first two years perhaps but then it becomes very difficult in the middle two years where the real medical curriculum begins and it is even more difficult to pass the USMLE licensing exam after that if you have not been through college in the US. There is a reason you have to complete your undergraduate degree and often take a year or two off before entering medical school in the states.

    2. The success rate of any student going through the 6 year program (if they even complete it) is very low. A lot of states require an undergraduate degree or at least 3 years worth of undergrad before they can give you a residency position and/or license to practice. The 6 year program restricts that and is not at all advisable.

    3. I am not sure what MCI's criteria is so you would have to go to their website and find out but the accreditation of these Caribbean schools is important so if they are not accredited by their local bodies or the CAAM, WHO, AVICENNA, etc, then I would stay away from those schools.

    4. There are LOTS of risks with going down this path and I would not recommend it to anybody including kids in US.

    If your son is set on practicing Medicine in the USA, know that it is a very long path from finishing medicine to getting a residency to finally practicing. (Total time including Medical studies will be around 10 years before practicing as a fully licensed Physician)

    My Advice: He should study Medicine in India or any other country which offers the MBBS degree. In US, there is no MBBS degree as Medicine is a PG degree and is offered as MD or DO. Once he gets his MBBS, he should take time off (minimum two years) to study for the USMLE exams and meanwhile do externships or shadow Doctors here. He has to not only pass the USMLE but do well in order to be considered for a Residency position here. He should also be willing to compromise on location and type of residency (as internationals are considered the last pick in the process unless they have experience practicing in their own country). It is very hard to specialize in the more opulent specialties such as cardiology if you are international applicant so he has to accept that fact as well. But again the keypoint here is that he should just study medicine in India.

    He cannot finish his undergrad in USA and then apply to US medical schools (like those above me mentioned) because you have to have a Green Card to apply to US medical schools and it will take a long time for that process to happen if he is even approved. Keep in mind students are usually not given Green Cards here. You have to prove that you have a job which will require your permanent residence in the country so the Green Card comes after he becomes a licensed physician here.
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    That is absolutely correct, Terp13. I totally spaced on the immigration issue with regard to application to US medical schools, and the fact that time spent as a student is generally not included toward a Green Card. Good call.

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    I sincerely thank you. I am considering the Pre-Med option in US.

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    Thank you sir for your very well detailed information. Point no 2 is news to me and it is a concern. My son says no issue to 10 yrs educational path.
    1. How do you suggest doing Pre-Med program in US and try for MD in US and if not then go to Caribbean schools?
    2. Doing MBBS in India and then going to US for USMLE steps exams is also a time of uncertainity. After MBBS, there will be a confusion whether to try for USMLEs or directly join MD in India so that time will not be vasted. If not successful in USMLEs, 2 yrs span is vasted and taking up in MD in India is anothe challenge and the student starts frustration with time.
    3. Yes, the student will still be eligible to study and work in India if he does MBBS in India, in case he fails at USMLEs.

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    THis point is also a news to me. However, the recent report (2014) of ECFMG gives better results for Non-US IMGs success at residencies.
    I shall consider your views also. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by kssgopal View Post
    Thank you sir for your very well detailed information. Point no 2 is news to me and it is a concern. My son says no issue to 10 yrs educational path.
    1. How do you suggest doing Pre-Med program in US and try for MD in US and if not then go to Caribbean schools?
    2. Doing MBBS in India and then going to US for USMLE steps exams is also a time of uncertainity. After MBBS, there will be a confusion whether to try for USMLEs or directly join MD in India so that time will not be vasted. If not successful in USMLEs, 2 yrs span is vasted and taking up in MD in India is anothe challenge and the student starts frustration with time.
    3. Yes, the student will still be eligible to study and work in India if he does MBBS in India, in case he fails at USMLEs.
    Your son should consider getting a 4 year degree in Biology, Chemistry, Physics, or Nursing (my personal favorite and something I wish I would have done). Once he starts these programs, he will then need to take premed coursework to ensure he meets the requirements to enter medical school.

    Finally, maybe you should have your son join this forum and ask his own questions. After all, this is his life and he should be in the driver seat.
    Last edited by TheFBguy; 01-09-2017 at 05:36 PM. Reason: removed outdated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by kssgopal View Post
    THis point is also a news to me. However, the recent report (2014) of ECFMG gives better results for Non-US IMGs success at residencies.
    I shall consider your views also. Thank you
    I would urge you to read the JAMA article published by the AAMC and ACGME: JAMA Network | JAMA | Residency Training and International Medical Graduates: *Coming to America No More

    These are the views of the people in charge of the US residency match and US medical education, not mine. My opinion, as a resident in Switzerland, means precious little in comparison.

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