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    Guju4lyfe is offline Permanently Banned 511 points
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    AUA a good school?

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    Hi,
    I am enticed to apply and join AUA due to the adcoms and all but I want to know how the school is. I have a few questions.

    1. How is the USMLE sucess rate? I mean how many students score high on Step 1 (not just barely pass) and go onto secure Residencies. The last time AUA officially released Stats was 22.9% percent and that was in 2009 if I am correct.
    2. What is the class size (I know AUA advertises that 100 students per class) but I've got negative feedback that AUA takes in >300 students per semester and by the looks of it only a handful passed step.
    3. Looks like there are rampant complaints of cheating. Did the school get the cheating scandals solved? How does losing nbme accredition affect chances of getting residency (I want an honest opinion).
    4. Loan situation.
    5. Clinical situation - does the school send students to clinicals without passing step 1 which is not good? And the wait between clinical rotations spots.

    Thank you

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    pepsatrap is offline Junior Member 513 points
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    1. USMLE Success Rate depends on whether you can pass the comp shelf. When I was there you HAD to PASS COMP SHELF to write step and it is totally fair. It saves you time and finances from going to clinicals (like some other schools do) without passing comp or step. Now, the statistic who actually did well on the comp is VERY LOW! Keep in mind the school takes in tons of students and the sample size who actually excels on the comp shelf is low. But those who do well on comp shelf pass STEP 1 (that is 90%).
    2. Class sizes when I was in basic science there was fairly low (100 students - max 150 students). But now I heard the schools rakes in 250-400 students per semester and by the looks of things only a handful managed to pass the recent Kaplan Comp Shelf to be eligible to write step 1.
    3. No idea about how the school solved the cheating scandals. But yes, Cheating does damage the school. Residency directors will look at AUA grads with more scrutiny and so there is more onus to score really high 240+ on step 1.
    4. Loan situation for AUA has always been murky. Various loan lenders cut their ties with AUA in the past and present and the interest rates are fairly high.
    5. When I was a student, the school made it mandatory to Pass step 1 to go on to clinicals.

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    Guju4lyfe is offline Permanently Banned 511 points
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    "You can find old midterms, shelves, and comp exams that people use to cheat at both Ross and AUA. At AUA people litterally get through and survive due to cheating; however, their step scores aren't anything great. You can see this from their match list. You can go to AUA, a known cheating school that has not done much about their cheating issues, but do you want someone who went to a known cheating school as your doctor?

    Also in terms of securing a job, in addition to a high step score, you should considering taking part in activities that will enhance your resume like research.

    If you want to score high on the steps you should go to a school that better prepares you for the steps such as the big 4 (SGU, Ross, AUC, SABA). These schools have ciriculums that encompass more topics that get tested on the steps. Where as AUA doesn't teach as much as the big 4 schools and if you cheat while at AUA you learn that much less and end up being that much less prepared for the steps. Students at the big 4 schools find NBME shelf exams to be do able and easy. While students at AUA find NBME shelf exams crazy and hard."


    The above was posted by someone at ROSS to answer my question regarding attending AUA. Seems that this school has numerous negative vibes not only from its students but also caribbean schools in general. Thank you PEPSATRAP for your reply. Your reply seems most consistent with what most feel about the school

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    pepsatrap is offline Junior Member 513 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamstify View Post
    "You can find old midterms, shelves, and comp exams that people use to cheat at both Ross and AUA. At AUA people litterally get through and survive due to cheating; however, their step scores aren't anything great. You can see this from their match list. You can go to AUA, a known cheating school that has not done much about their cheating issues, but do you want someone who went to a known cheating school as your doctor?

    Also in terms of securing a job, in addition to a high step score, you should considering taking part in activities that will enhance your resume like research.

    If you want to score high on the steps you should go to a school that better prepares you for the steps such as the big 4 (SGU, Ross, AUC, SABA). These schools have ciriculums that encompass more topics that get tested on the steps. Where as AUA doesn't teach as much as the big 4 schools and if you cheat while at AUA you learn that much less and end up being that much less prepared for the steps. Students at the big 4 schools find NBME shelf exams to be do able and easy. While students at AUA find NBME shelf exams crazy and hard."


    The above was posted by someone at ROSS to answer my question regarding attending AUA. Seems that this school has numerous negative vibes not only from its students but also caribbean schools in general. Thank you PEPSATRAP for your reply. Your reply seems most consistent with what most feel about the school


    The school is great. I mean the faculty ARE there to help. But you should thank a bunch of irresponsible kids who cheated and got the school in deep pooh pooh for all the negative vibes.

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    I just completed my Med 5 part of the infamous "New Curriculum - New batch" of the August 2011 class. PEPSATRAP is very nice in saying the faculty are helpful and the school is great. I have personally witnessed many acts of blatant cheating, lying and corruption in the school when I was there. Since the start of med 1, I've seen 2 heads of the anatomy dept leave, numerous professors within the anatomy dept leave, the biochem head leave and numerous other professors either leaving the school or expressing frustration over the blatant cheating.

    I recall one of the professors Dr. Rice giving an open letter to an entire class which eventually reached the entire school that cheating has reached an all time high. Even the provost of the school accused our Dean Dr. Nagra and his Manipal faculty members of cheating, lying and blatant corruption which includes (Skewing of numbers, grade changes, leaking of exams etc). I've seen many of my friends suffer b/c of this. Numerous students filed complaints but to no avail.

    I would suggest you to look at other schools before coming to AUA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamstify View Post
    "You can find old midterms, shelves, and comp exams that people use to cheat at both Ross and AUA. At AUA people litterally get through and survive due to cheating; however, their step scores aren't anything great. You can see this from their match list. You can go to AUA, a known cheating school that has not done much about their cheating issues, but do you want someone who went to a known cheating school as your doctor?

    Also in terms of securing a job, in addition to a high step score, you should considering taking part in activities that will enhance your resume like research.

    If you want to score high on the steps you should go to a school that better prepares you for the steps such as the big 4 (SGU, Ross, AUC, SABA). These schools have ciriculums that encompass more topics that get tested on the steps. Where as AUA doesn't teach as much as the big 4 schools and if you cheat while at AUA you learn that much less and end up being that much less prepared for the steps. Students at the big 4 schools find NBME shelf exams to be do able and easy. While students at AUA find NBME shelf exams crazy and hard."


    The above was posted by someone at ROSS to answer my question regarding attending AUA. Seems that this school has numerous negative vibes not only from its students but also caribbean schools in general. Thank you PEPSATRAP for your reply. Your reply seems most consistent with what most feel about the school

    Bamstify, I would say that students at other Caribbean schools only reflect what their friends at AUA have told them. Most, if not all, students at AUA have complaints. There are indeed a lot of inconsistencies. Just to echo what Krish123 said, the fault is on both students and faculty alike. Who knew what came first, the chicken or the egg? To be fair though, cheating is not new to Caribbean schools. It's an age old practice that has been passed down from old students to new. SABA no longer has title IV. ROSS once upon a time lost their NBME privileges before and has since regained them. And AUA has lost NBME privileges ONLY on the island. AUA students are still permitted to take the exams in the US at prometric centers. I only mention all of this because in evaluating schools one has to judge by all of the facts and not only by the number of kids putting AUA on blast because they are frustrated. I still would not recommend AUA by any means. But having the correct information to make your decision does not hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepsatrap View Post
    The school is great. I mean the faculty ARE there to help. But you should thank a bunch of irresponsible kids who cheated and got the school in deep pooh pooh for all the negative vibes.

    PEPSATRAP - you seem to be doing a lot of nonsense talk bashing the students at AUA. Yes, I do agree students did cheat. But you shouldn't bash AUA students entirely. Contrary to your support toward the AUA faculty, the New York office, the President and Provost have openly accused the AUA faculty of blatant cheating. So, the blame falls equally on students and faculty. Also, when I was there I recall many instances when students were harassed by the faculty just for raising concern over cheating - that it would damage the school. One student was harassed at the end of med 2 repeatedly, his grades were changed, skewed - just b/c he raised his voice against the faculty cheating and the list goes on.

    If ALL of the students were cheating then how was it that 2 students scored >240 on step and 20-25 people passed kaplan comp with >70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krish123 View Post
    PEPSATRAP - you seem to be doing a lot of nonsense talk bashing the students at AUA. Yes, I do agree students did cheat. But you shouldn't bash AUA students entirely. Contrary to your support toward the AUA faculty, the New York office, the President and Provost have openly accused the AUA faculty of blatant cheating. So, the blame falls equally on students and faculty. Also, when I was there I recall many instances when students were harassed by the faculty just for raising concern over cheating - that it would damage the school. One student was harassed at the end of med 2 repeatedly, his grades were changed, skewed - just b/c he raised his voice against the faculty cheating and the list goes on.

    If ALL of the students were cheating then how was it that 2 students scored >240 on step and 20-25 people passed kaplan comp with >70.
    2 students greater than 240? Is that supposed to be an accomplishment?

    2?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulberry View Post
    2 students greater than 240? Is that supposed to be an accomplishment?

    2?????

    Not really an accomplishment. But just to highlight the 2 who scored that high worked really hard from day one. The rest 200-250 didn't even come close to passing kaplan comp shelf. Myself and 20-25 others passed the kaplan comp. I don't even know how these students who bombed kaplan comp managed to pass the kaplan subject shelves - the only way is they had access to the kaplan assessments which had later been used as subject shelves.

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    The moral is - AUA is not a school to waste 2 years of your lives. If you cheated through AUA and are putting the blame on the faculty, then not only are you cheating yourself but your loved ones back home who are paying for your tuition.

    My humble opinion to those who bombed kaplan comp is to end fooling themselves even more, go home, pay your loans off and do something constructive with their lives. If you can't pass the comp shelf even after 2.5 years of basic science - I don't know what to say.

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