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    AUA Fail Out Rate

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    Dear All, I heard that AUA has a high fail rate; While I understand that some students are not motivated to study, this is not the group I am referring to. I mean on average for a student who studies fairly hard, do many students fail out?

    I am currently at a Caribbean school and a lot of hard studying student are failing, over 30%. I was told that since Carribbean schools do not have heavy screening that this is to be expected. Is this what can be expected at AUA? Thank you. Bless all

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    Quote Originally Posted by tGgam View Post
    Dear All, I heard that AUA has a high fail rate; While I understand that some students are not motivated to study, this is not the group I am referring to. I mean on average for a student who studies fairly hard, do many students fail out?

    I am currently at a Caribbean school and a lot of hard studying student are failing, over 30%. I was told that since Carribbean schools do not have heavy screening that this is to be expected. Is this what can be expected at AUA? Thank you. Bless all
    Nobody can answer this question, except maybe admin types. People come and people go. Some will be "weeded out", some won't. Whether you will allow yourself to be weeded out is up to you. Nobody can guarantee that you will pass classes at AUA, nobody can guarantee that you will pass the USMLE upon completion of basic sciences, and nobody can guarantee that you will secure a residency spot once you've jumped all the other hurdles. It's all up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkie, M.D. View Post
    Nobody can answer this question, except maybe admin types. People come and people go. Some will be "weeded out", some won't. Whether you will allow yourself to be weeded out is up to you. Nobody can guarantee that you will pass classes at AUA, nobody can guarantee that you will pass the USMLE upon completion of basic sciences, and nobody can guarantee that you will secure a residency spot once you've jumped all the other hurdles. It's all up to you.
    I could not have said it better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tGgam View Post
    Dear All, I heard that AUA has a high fail rate; While I understand that some students are not motivated to study, this is not the group I am referring to. I mean on average for a student who studies fairly hard, do many students fail out?

    I am currently at a Caribbean school and a lot of hard studying student are failing, over 30%. I was told that since Carribbean schools do not have heavy screening that this is to be expected. Is this what can be expected at AUA? Thank you. Bless all

    not as bad as ross. not as hard as ross. but it probably should be.

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    Thank you confusedMD. In an American School the attrition rate is low. I was told by a Caribbean school representative that Caribbean school's have a lot of student's who drop out, specifically as a result of failure since most of these schools use the curriculum as the measure to weed out students since American school do this in advance, as part of their application process.

    It is important for people who come to the Caribbean to know about this factor, and to gauge schools as a result. As mentioned in one school a large segment of their student body fail out. This would include hard workers; some schools just simply want the top 30% the rest are let go. This would seem to be an important consideration; like an elephant in the room that people seem not to address. Is the attitude is just hope to be the 30% instead of saying that this system should be made more clear. Thank you.

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    I have found that most students who hit average on the MCAT can make it at any carib school. Maybe that is a good gauge for you to use.

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    If the National Average for the MCAT is around 24, but I heard that the average AUA MCAT is far lower then that. So, do AUA students who score around 19 on the MCAT are they the ones who fail out of AUA most typically? I was under the impression that most students went to Caribbean schools because thier MCAT scores were below average. Thank you




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    Quote Originally Posted by tGgam View Post
    If the National Average for the MCAT is around 24, but I heard that the average AUA MCAT is far lower then that. So, do AUA students who score around 19 on the MCAT are they the ones who fail out of AUA most typically? I was under the impression that most students went to Caribbean schools because thier MCAT scores were below average. Thank you.

    24 is the average for all people who take the MCAT, but 30 is the average for all people who are accepted to US med schools. I would bet most of the MCATs at AUA fall somewhere between these 2 numbers with a few outliers.
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    Actually from what I learned average MCAT is in the teens probaly around 19. I wanted to come back to give correct information. Thank you

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    Your question is similar asking, whats better a ford or chrysler?

    There are some that become doctors, and others that do not. The actual rate is not really significant, because it is up to you to decide what you want to make of your time in medical school. There are surgeons, ER physicians, and plenty of pediatricians/internists and family physicians out of AUA.

    Typically these types of schools are great for students who have EITHER a lower GPA OR a lower MCAT. If you have both that are low, then you probably won't make it. If you did poorly in undergrad(for whatever reasons), and did well on the MCAT, that shows you are able to comprehand, vice versa, one test may have broken your chances and your gpa shows your ability to comprehend at the level required.

    I would say the MCAT avg is in the low 20's at AUA.

    Here are some rough estimates:

    US MD: 30 GPA 3.7+
    US DO: 25 GPA 3.3+
    SGU: 27 GPA 3.3+
    Ross/Auc 23-24 GPA 3.2+
    AUA 20-22 GPA 2.9+

    I bet those numbers are close to the real deal. As you can see, some students do choose to go to SGU rather than a US DO school, because the form of being an MD is more important to them. Other than that, if you have done well on a test and dont come to AUA as your only hope, having failed lots of classes in UG and bombing the MCAT after numerous attempts, you stand a great chance to do well.

    More importantly, stop worrying about numbers. AUA graduated a student last year who matched into Neurosurgery. Whether he studied 18 years or 18 days, it doesnt matter, he is a neurosurgeon.

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