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    AUA Does Not Accept Online Labs

    FYI Purposes Only: I'm in the process of my post-interview waiting and recently found out that AUA does not accept online labs as credit. They do accept the lecture portions online, however all lab courses have to be in person.

    Just a fair-warning to anyone out there enrolled in online courses.

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    Still very confused how/why AUA can reject a pre-med course that is offered by a US regionally accredited and AOA accredited medical school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEven View Post
    Still very confused how/why AUA can reject a pre-med course that is offered by a US regionally accredited and AOA accredited medical school.
    It's their decision. Fact is they already allow substitution for a course already, what more can they want? All because it's regionally accredited don't mean anything. Even AOA accreditation is starting to lose credibility, look at Rocky Vista University. If AUA wants higher standards, then great! Better standards will allow better reputation in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thxleave View Post
    It's their decision. Fact is they already allow substitution for a course already, what more can they want? All because it's regionally accredited don't mean anything. Even AOA accreditation is starting to lose credibility, look at Rocky Vista University. If AUA wants higher standards, then great! Better standards will allow better reputation in the future.
    I guess it is their decision, but their decision is a weird one I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEven View Post
    Still very confused how/why AUA can reject a pre-med course that is offered by a US regionally accredited and AOA accredited medical school.
    It's true that any medical school Admissions Committee (ADCO), whether US or Caribbean, can make up their own policies regarding classes which they accept. For example, AUA's allows Organic Chem 2 to be substituted with Biochemistry. If you do this though, both options would require a lab as well. Another example is that Biostatistics will count for your math pre-requisite.

    The logic of an online lab from a regional accredited institution is a weak argument in my opinion. The focus is not on the type of university you took the class at, it's the fact that the LAB is online. Taking this virtually is not the same experience as spending your 3 - 4 hour (and longer) lab block every week at a brick and mortar university.

    The Biochemistry course at UNE has been accepted by at least 15 MD/DO schools (out of approximately 160 programs) within the past five months. This info is provided on their website; however, they of course recommend you contact the individual admissions offices directly. I don't think this specific class will result in much trouble as it is offered by the University of New England and accepted by their medical school. At the end of the day, it is a lecture course only and that is what it advertises itself to be. The online/virtual lab courses, which are different, will certainly be more difficult to accept by medical schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEven View Post
    I have some followup questions to the above post. Given that UNE's online biochem is in fact a non-lab class I am curious about their other online science classes that do in fact include a lab. Courses such as this which state, "The course is a one semester course with a virtual laboratory that emphasizes those aspects of organic chemistry that are relevant to the study of human health and metabolism." University of New England - COM - Online Education - Online Organic Chemistry I

    If these courses are acceptable to a US medical school and this school is regionally accredited (the gold standard of schools) then why would AUA not accept it?
    Come on dude put it to rest. On-line science course and lab don't go hand in hand.

    I have a question for you: How do you do titrations online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleisch View Post
    It's true that any medical school Admissions Committee (ADCO), whether US or Caribbean, can make up their own policies regarding classes which they accept.
    True, tho the pre-reqs are generally standard from one school to another.


    For example, AUA's allows Organic Chem 2 to be substituted with Biochemistry. If you do this though, both options would require a lab as well. Another example is that Biostatistics will count for your math pre-requisite.
    I have seen this for many US schools, as well. It's fairly standard.
    The logic of an online lab from a regional accredited institution is a weak argument in my opinion. The focus is not on the type of university you took the class at, it's the fact that the LAB is online.
    It's not weak at all. Accreditation is the standard by which educational institutions are judged. Regional accreditation is the gold standard, with national accreditation being second to that. A school that is both US regionally accredited and is an AOA-accredited medical school has demonstrated truly superior credentials in educational quality. Here is my counter point: would AUA accept a lab course from a brick and mortar school that does have either regional or national accreditation but somehow offered the best instruction for this one particular course? I have the feeling is "no", tho I am interested in your response.

    Taking this virtually is not the same experience as spending your 3 - 4 hour (and longer) lab block every week at a brick and mortar university.
    Most students agree that they learn nothing from mixing chemical A with reagent B in order to achieve product C. They learn after they process the results by hand (or by computer), draw out mechanisms, balance equations, etc. This process is the same for both an online lab and actual lab. In fact online labs have higher quality control as you cannot possibly mix an incorrect dose of a particular chemical or mix in the wrong chemical. The computer system stops you from doing that and makes sure you do the experiment quickly.

    The Biochemistry course at UNE has been accepted by at least 15 MD/DO schools (out of approximately 160 programs) within the past five months. This info is provided on their website; however, they of course recommend you contact the individual admissions offices directly.
    This demonstrates that at least 15 schools have had students with a course from UNE. This does not mean that 145 of the schools have rejected this course. Agreed?

    I don't think this specific class will result in much trouble as it is offered by the University of New England and accepted by their medical school. At the end of the day, it is a lecture course only and that is what it advertises itself to be. The online/virtual lab courses, which are different, will certainly be more difficult to accept by medical schools.
    Their online lab courses are both regionally accredited and AOA accredited. Those are two extremely high standards for educational accreditation. It's confusing to suggest that courses offered from such a school are somehow unacceptable due to their "online" nature. If they really were unacceptable then their regional accreditation or medical school accreditation service would not all that type of instruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7125 View Post
    Come on dude put it to rest. On-line science course and lab don't go hand in hand.

    I have a question for you: How do you do titrations online?
    I enjoy this academic discussion and I think it's an important one to have.

    You do titrations online the same way you would in lab. Wait for the color to change and know how many mL of something you put in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEven View Post
    I enjoy this academic discussion and I think it's an important one to have.

    You do titrations online the same way you would in lab. Wait for the color to change and know how many mL of something you put in.
    Perhaps you are not grasping the fact that there is a difference between conducting live experiments and make believe experiments on-line. And nothing about this discussion is academic. Good luck in your endeavours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7125 View Post
    Perhaps you are not grasping the fact that there is a difference between conducting live experiments and make believe experiments on-line. And nothing about this discussion is academic. Good luck in your endeavours.
    If you're not interested in academic discussions then you can feel free to go troll elsewhere on the internet. Have a great night!

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    Even Harvard at the MGH Institute for Health Professions offers and accepts courses with online labs.

    Prerequisite Courses - Health Care Professions Careers - MGH Institute - Boston, MA

    Still very confused why and how AUA wouldn't accept online courses.

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