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    Mr Tipton an Idea for Monitoring clinical advisers

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    Mr. Tipton:

    If there are any students who have clinical rotations when a a student with senority (meaning a student who started rotations prior to another student) does not....That would imply only THREE things:

    1.) A clinical adviser,(there are only two), made a innocent mistake. The mistake should be fixed immediatey and the adviser should be reprimanded and warned that she can lose her job if it happens a second time because this innocent mistake can be mistaken with something malicious as described in reason two.

    2.) The clinical Adviser has been taking bribes and allowing students to cut other students in line. The adviser should be fired on the spot because I don't think AUA wants to be associated with anyone so dishonorable.

    3.) That the student ahead of them has a 99 and AUA shows favoritism and gives priority to higher board scores.

    Do you agree Mr.Tipton that these are the only reasons something like this COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN or do you think there are other possibilities?? If so please share them. Also just so you and everyone knows I am only trying to keep clinical rotations kosher, so everyone is treated as equally as possible.

    This being said.. I feel that a database should be created publicly which states every students name/secret number...there start date of rotations, and what rotations they have completed. This will allow us to prevent any injustices and personally it will allow upper AUA officials easy access to make sure the careers of hundreds of *********'s are treated fairly.

    Please respond back to this because I feel this is necessary, based on students I personally know who are being shafted or overlooked, by the clinical advisers. Either way there should be a system implemented to monitor both advisers, not because I think they are incapable or doing any shady activity but because they directly control the lives of so many students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student1234 View Post
    Mr. Tipton:


    This being said.. I feel that a database should be created publicly which states every students name/secret number...there start date of rotations, and what rotations they have completed. This will allow us to prevent any injustices and personally it will allow upper AUA officials easy access to make sure the careers of hundreds of *********'s are treated fairly.



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    I've been saying this all along. Everything should be made public to the students at AUA in regards to waitlist and number and the spots that are coming up. Students will be able to track their progress and also it will in one way help the stress levels. If you keep this information hidden from students then no one can be surprised if students come to their own conclusions. It seems so simple to me. Why has this not been already looked at? One conclusion I can draw from it would be that there are things that AUA does not want us to know and maybe as student1234 has suggested there is favoritism or corruption. If you made it public people will still complain about the lack of shortages but at least they wouldn't be able to questions AUA's ethical integrity in this matter.

    Unfortuantely, there is evidence that points to some favoritism. I know some students that wrote the step after other students and got a rotation before them. How is this even possible. Its not one isolated example I have numerous. This should not be possible on a first come first serve basis. And its not because some students rejected rotation spots because the students I'm taking about are desperate for anything.

    Everyone seems to freak out when students that feel they have been cheated want to file a lawsuit. Think back to Dr. G's lectures on the island about truth telling and admitting mistakes in medical practice and how studies show that it builds a better dr/patient relationship and decreases lawsuits against doctors. YOU MUST be honest and forthcoming with information. It is an ethical responsiblity.

    Student 1234 - thanks for bringing this point up. I've been saying this for months now and feel like an idiot when no one agrees or acknowledges the simple logic and ethical value of being forthcoming/transparent with information. Feels nice to know someone is thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipton View Post
    I must admit that I know only a little bit about Clinical Rotations. Just about as much as I know about Evolutionary Psychology. For someone with an undergraduate major in International Business and minor in Middle Eastern Studies, I think I've been doing pretty well in learning about the student experience in medical school: what incoming students chould expect from their education, what sort of school they should look for to provide them the best opportunitites available and how to thrive in such a rigorous academic environment.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view), I am not involved even in an unofficial capacity in the process of assisting students with their Rotations.

    Any suggestions can be emailed to me: . I always forward up the chain of command to the executive level. I will cc any email to Dr. B, AUA's Clinical Dean.
    Thank You Mr. Tipton I will email you soon. Of all the AUA officials, you are the only one I know who responds back in a timely mater, even today on a Sunday on a non school sponsored forum. If only there more people with your work ethic in the clinical department, I sincerely believe more students would be put at ease even though we are facing a clinical rotation shortage.

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    nice thinkin'

    yea, just set up a thread & ask people to list the date at which their paperworks were confirmed along with the date of first rotation scheduled.

    p.s.

    yea tiptons always on point

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    What is amazing to me is the fact that every couple of weeks these kinds of posts seem to surface. There is a new poster, who only posts related to the topic of either transferring from AUA, suing AUA or clinical spots. Creates this kind of chaos and then disappears. I wonder if it is a trend specific to AUA forum or it happens at other forums as well. How come the new posters just become aware of the existance of valuemd when they have problem with the rotations or are they just trying to make our studentbody more anxious. I agree that there is a clinical problem but I don't think posting about it on ValueMD and spreading rumors is the solution to that problem. If you want to make your voice heard why not start a petition have all the students who are waiting sign it and then send it to the officials to add some numbers and influence some decisions. Instead of simply speculating about who does and doesn't get rotations and spreading rumors. Just my $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by determinedtobedoc View Post
    What is amazing to me is the fact that every couple of weeks these kinds of posts seem to surface. There is a new poster, who only posts related to the topic of either transferring from AUA, suing AUA or clinical spots. Creates this kind of chaos and then disappears. I wonder if it is a trend specific to AUA forum or it happens at other forums as well. How come the new posters just become aware of the existance of valuemd when they have problem with the rotations or are they just trying to make our studentbody more anxious. I agree that there is a clinical problem but I don't think posting about it on ValueMD and spreading rumors is the solution to that problem. If you want to make your voice heard why not start a petition have all the students who are waiting sign it and then send it to the officials to add some numbers and influence some decisions. Instead of simply speculating about who does and doesn't get rotations and spreading rumors. Just my $.02.
    So you are saying that if we all signed a petition that will open up new spots for rotations. I mean why don't we just march to new york and have a peacful protest outside.

    What decisions? Basically, I want to know how many people are waiting, for how long, how many new spots are added, and how many people are waiting between rotations. If AUA is really on the ball I wanna know how this will delay my graduation. Why would i want to know this? Come to terms with the situation, and perhaps make some decision about my future if the situation continues at AUA.

    People start rumors here, but if you believe what you see from one post then you are to blame just as much as anyone else. No one is here getting people worked up....people that are going through this are already worked UP.

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    Well in regards to a protest, my 5th semester teacher from last semester said that the students who are eligible for rotations should do something, but they have to show a united front. He said if he were in our shoes he'd be 'livid' and that we're going to have to explain to program directors why there was such a lapse in time with the rotations. And for those of you who had 5th semester in Michigan, you know how blunt Dr. Y can be about AUA. He's funnier than Dr. G, but yet, just as real.

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    Well if we are going to put helpful suggestions here, how about they hire more than 2 people to handle hundereds of students in clinicals? They have a dozen people to bring in new students but only 2 for established students? Whose bright idea was that?
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    Actually I thought there's only one now because the second one went to be on the admissions team for the vet school.

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