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    AUA or SJSM

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    Hi,
    I got accepted into both places and don't know which one to go to. I know SJSM has a terrible step 1 passing rate. But I do not know AUA's. Any input that you have on this subject will help me determine a better fit for me.

    Thanks

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    I don't attend either school, so I am relatively unbiased. AUA would be your best bet. Was told that the AUA pass rate is about 75% (from a student at a seminar). Don't know if this is accurate, however. Hopefully a student will be along to verify this information.

    In my personal opinion
    : You should take a shot at the BIG4, then AUA, UMHS, MUA followed by St. Matt's, SEUSOM, etc. etc. etc. in that order.

    Becoming a doctor from SJSOM is doable, but there at least 10 better options in the Caribbean. If you can't make it into one of the aforementioned schools than you shouldn't waste your time, and money attending an offshore school.

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    so st. james should be my complete last option? good to know..

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    LBfromtheDale, I know you stated your personal opinion but there is no way that AUA and UHMS can be better than MUA and SMU. Granted that SMU applied for CALI approval and was denied, they're still a more proven side than both AUA and UHMS. The big 4 have Cali and approval and 50 states in common as well as longevity to boast of. The youngest of the big 4 is 20something years old. These schools got better through the years and have graduated enough MD's to get the Cali approval and the next closest school(s) who can attempt for Cali approval and actually get it will be MUA and SMU(if they fix all their problems). MUA, SMU and St Eustatius have graduated more MDs than AUA whose graduates are of 2008 & 2009 MDs. UHMS don't even have a graduating class.
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    @OP: you really shouldn't base a decision on what any of us say.

    Me personally...if my ONLY choice was AUA vs. SJSM, I'd go with SJSM, simply
    on cost alone. I quickly took a look at SJSM and their tuition is VERY cheap. Something
    like $4200/semester. AUA has loan issues, clinical issues, tuition hikes, only 2 yrs of residency. Is NY approval THAT critical? Some say yes...some don't...up to you to decide.

    My opinion on offshore schools is to try to get into the 'big 4'. Specifically, SGU.
    If you can't, then seriously consider your career path. I mean really do some
    thinking.

    If at the end of it your only passion and career desire is to be a physician then
    map out a plan. You have to realize that there are hurdles in front of you and these
    hurdles are only getting worse year to year as number of residency spots stay the same.

    You MUST rock the USMLEs, network well, get fantastic LORs, etc.
    Will AUA enable you to do all this more than SJSM?

    Personally, I don't think so. All those things listed are on you. Its about self direction and ambition.

    It does help that you go to a school that gives a strong basic science foundation
    and have placed people in residencies.

    Good luck! Seriously do some thinking on how bad you want this....
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    Kofi,

    Personal opinion. Personal opinion. Personal opinion. Just telling the OP what me, myself, and I would do in his/her situation (if I couldn't/wouldn't do anything but become a doctor).

    Let me re-clarify (w/out naming schools): If you can't make it into one of the BIG4, throw a dart at a map. Then go there.

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    Saba was about 12y/o when they applied for CA in 2001 or 2002 & they're the most recent carib school to have gotten Cali - Saba also applied & got NY approval about the same time they got Cali. (Good sign for us). SMU applied for NY (I dono when) & were rejected from Cali. AUA is 5y/o now but they've applied for & gotten NY - we might get cali, we might not. I transfered from AUC - I chose AUA because this school looks like it has the best shot of becoming the next one with 50 states. But we'll see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kofi129 View Post
    LBfromtheDale, I know you stated your personal opinion but there is no way that AUA and UHMS can be better than MUA and SMU. Granted that SMU applied for CALI approval and was denied, they're still a more proven side than both AUA and UHMS. The big 4 have Cali and approval and 50 states in common as well as longevity to boast of. The youngest of the big 4 is 20something years old. These schools got better through the years and have graduated enough MD's to get the Cali approval and the next closest school(s) who can attempt for Cali approval and actually get it will be MUA and SMU(if they fix all their problems). MUA, SMU and St Eustatius have graduated more MDs than AUA whose graduates are of 2008 & 2009 MDs. UHMS don't even have a graduating class.
    Having read both the Saba and SMU after-action reports from the CA Med Board, it doesn't appear that approval hinges on the number of graduates a school has. School 'A' isn't going to get an approval before School 'B' just because they have 25 more graduates. The Board screened both of those schools from head to to looking at everything from documentation of clinical rotations down to whether or not the students were briefed by financial aid on their loan repayment responsibilities. There is no evidence to suggest MUA and SMU are number one and two in the pecking order for CA approval. (Personally, I think the board uses a Ouija board to make their decisions on CA approval....given that Hussein Medical University in Baghdad is approved in CA and AUA is not, it makes as much sense as any other theory out there.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidMD View Post
    @OP: you really shouldn't base a decision on what any of us say.

    Me personally...if my ONLY choice was AUA vs. SJSM, I'd go with SJSM, simply
    on cost alone. I quickly took a look at SJSM and their tuition is VERY cheap. Something
    like $4200/semester. AUA has loan issues, clinical issues, tuition hikes, only 2 yrs of residency. Is NY approval THAT critical? Some say yes...some don't...up to you to decide.
    AUA has no loan issues (we have 2 stable lenders), no outstanding clinical issues (just ask DocP he got assigned right away) and I have no idea what you mean by 2 years of residency. Yes NY approval is critical because it is indicative of the school's progress. As for tuition hikes, they're part of the price for gaining access to good clinical spots and building an attractive campus.

    Bottom line is you do not need to attend the so-called "big 4" or even AUA to get an MD from the Caribbean. However, a proven track record does help and thats what distinguishes one Caribbean school from another. The big 4 had the luxury of being the first on the scene but that does not mean they are neccessarily the best. I've met too many Ross and AUC transfers to AUA that had pretty much the same stories of the so-called big 4--that their basic sciences is no more developed than what's taught at AUA. The next two schools I see getting California approval are AUA and eventually UMHS once it has graduates for some years. I don't forsee SJSOM, SESOM, Windsor, SMU etc ever getting it.
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    You also have to remember AUA is an offshoot of Ross. Meaning those that started AUA originally came from Ross want to see it go far! For such a young school, AUA is taking big steps!


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