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    To all students of AUA

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    As a FMG myself curently doing Surgical Residnecy i ahve had the chance to work with AUA studnets. No matter where or who. We shall let this be in general. I have never seen such a unreliable bunch. You could never count on them to be there for call and ever be held responsible. I dont think that they have made a good name for themselves in my program. There were 2 guys that were great but the rest either flat out tell you " I dont care. I am not going into Surgery" or "Why do i have to be here past 6 pm?" but the best was " Why do we have to round this late?" but the cake was when no one showed up one day. NOBODY NONE .... No one knew why, where they were and what had happend.

    Please guys this is advice. Anywhere you go work hard because the medical world is very small. This bunch of students have left a bitter taste in a lot of program directors mouths only by hearing us complain about them. Please do not get defensive. I dont want to give names only because i will work with a new group of them next. I would like to see if they are better. If not as a chief resident next year they wont be allowed in my service and that will mean loosing a rotation.

    PS enjoy the beach while you can.. Worse is ahead
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    One wonders why the powers that be (attending, residents, etc) didn't put the fear of God into them on day one? You miss once, you fail your rotation. You leave early once, you fail your rotation. Problems like these are SO easily fixed. If you tolerate that nonsense as a manager, you reap what you sow. (speaking with 20+ years of leadership / management experience)

    If a PD has is going to stereotypically view me as a sluggo based on the actions of some previous student(s) and not judge me on my own merits, it would probably be better if I were in a more objective program.

    I'm not discounting your assertion that there are some sluggos at AUA (every school has them). The students should be responsible and held accountable for their performance, but this sounds like a management problem more than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgilbert63 View Post
    One wonders why the powers that be (attending, residents, etc) didn't put the fear of God into them on day one? You miss once, you fail your rotation. You leave early once, you fail your rotation. Problems like these are SO easily fixed. If you tolerate that nonsense as a manager, you reap what you sow. (speaking with 20+ years of leadership / management experience)

    If a PD has is going to stereotypically view me as a sluggo based on the actions of some previous student(s) and not judge me on my own merits, it would probably be better if I were in a more objective program.

    I'm not discounting your assertion that there are some sluggos at AUA (every school has them). The students should be responsible and held accountable for their performance, but this sounds like a management problem more than anything.

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    you sound like O

    P.S - The OP should see some of the AMerican Medical Students in action- talk about being RUDE and "lazy" .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDsoon View Post
    you sound like O .
    LOLOL....I've been called alot of things in my day, but O isn't one of them. I'd have to pass a dedicated stimulus package for the AUA students and throw in a few hopes and changes if I were trying to sound like O.

    I've just had A LOT of experience leading people and managing programs have a pretty good insight as to what works and doesn't work. Laying out the rules of engagement and expectations right off the bat tends to mitigate problems in the long haul. Change you can believe in!!!!!!

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    i think the OP may have over stepped some bounds in regards to how they delivered their message..

    but in essence i think it's a fair warning.
    thanks OP.. duly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgilbert63 View Post
    One wonders why the powers that be (attending, residents, etc) didn't put the fear of God into them on day one? You miss once, you fail your rotation. You leave early once, you fail your rotation. Problems like these are SO easily fixed. If you tolerate that nonsense as a manager, you reap what you sow. (speaking with 20+ years of leadership / management experience)

    If a PD has is going to stereotypically view me as a sluggo based on the actions of some previous student(s) and not judge me on my own merits, it would probably be better if I were in a more objective program.

    I'm not discounting your assertion that there are some sluggos at AUA (every school has them). The students should be responsible and held accountable for their performance, but this sounds like a management problem more than anything.

    .02

    Well I must say that after seeing them not care I had the gang of 2 students that were up to the game. The rest I just did not care anymore. After you try teaching them that responsibility begins with them and getting the facial mannerisms it was a bitter taste in my mouth. I am not here to make you want to be here. You have to want to be here. My job is not to babysit but to teach and answer questions. But in any case I did not mean anything bad. The school however should give the residents evaluation forms. At this particular hospital the chairman gets them and everyone gets a pass I am guessing and very general letter of recommendation. One of the two applied this year and I got a phone call from a friend of mine that is doing IM. During the interview he saw where he had rotated for surgery and asked him if he knew me. Than the phone rang and I was asked what did I think of the student. He will match there IT IS A SMALL WORLD. I have no time to deal with children. I mean why would I ask a grown man or woman why did you not come to learn yesterday? That is bogus.

    I want to stress that residents are not here to babysit but to teach. So as far as management when I become chief in 4 months it will change.

    Shape up or no rotation

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    You should be passing your concerns on to AUA rather than voicing your dissatisfaction with some AUA students here. Perhaps your program isn't doing the job it should? I know my 5th semester program director thinks she's doing a great job but in reality 100% of us agree our money and time is being wasted. Just some food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSIUHS View Post
    Well I must say that after seeing them not care I had the gang of 2 students that were up to the game. The rest I just did not care anymore. After you try teaching them that responsibility begins with them and getting the facial mannerisms it was a bitter taste in my mouth. I am not here to make you want to be here. You have to want to be here. My job is not to babysit but to teach and answer questions. But in any case I did not mean anything bad. The school however should give the residents evaluation forms. At this particular hospital the chairman gets them and everyone gets a pass I am guessing and very general letter of recommendation. One of the two applied this year and I got a phone call from a friend of mine that is doing IM. During the interview he saw where he had rotated for surgery and asked him if he knew me. Than the phone rang and I was asked what did I think of the student. He will match there IT IS A SMALL WORLD. I have no time to deal with children. I mean why would I ask a grown man or woman why did you not come to learn yesterday? That is bogus.

    I want to stress that residents are not here to babysit but to teach. So as far as management when I become chief in 4 months it will change.

    Shape up or no rotation
    Oh, I TOTALLY agree with your sentiments. These students are 3rd/4th year med students and acting like junior high schoolers. That's inexcusible. Your are right...you are there to teach and not babysit. The chairman isn't doing anyone (residents or students) any favors by just giving them a passing grade. Crack some heads when you become chief. Set the tone from day one. A manager can be firm w/o being an a-r-s-e. Your fellow residents and the hard working students will thank you for it. Maybe you can get the chair to get resident inputs before he/she does their evals. They shouldn't pass if they're not pulling their weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSIUHS View Post
    As a FMG myself curently doing Surgical Residnecy i ahve had the chance to work with AUA studnets. No matter where or who. We shall let this be in general. I have never seen such a unreliable bunch. You could never count on them to be there for call and ever be held responsible. I dont think that they have made a good name for themselves in my program. There were 2 guys that were great but the rest either flat out tell you " I dont care. I am not going into Surgery" or "Why do i have to be here past 6 pm?" but the best was " Why do we have to round this late?" but the cake was when no one showed up one day. NOBODY NONE .... No one knew why, where they were and what had happend.

    Please guys this is advice. Anywhere you go work hard because the medical world is very small. This bunch of students have left a bitter taste in a lot of program directors mouths only by hearing us complain about them. Please do not get defensive. I dont want to give names only because i will work with a new group of them next. I would like to see if they are better. If not as a chief resident next year they wont be allowed in my service and that will mean loosing a rotation.

    PS enjoy the beach while you can.. Worse is ahead
    well gj generalizing and speculating on all AUA students.

    obviously the hard working students know that HARD WORK is important. for those that don't care it doesn't need to be reiterated because, obviously, they don't care.

    it doesn't matter if you're chief resident or not. if you want to assume all AUA students are lazy so be it; i don't have time to care. i'm in a great hospital where the staff is extremely helpful and every student i've met puts adequate dedication into their work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rahulb View Post
    well gj generalizing and speculating on all AUA students.

    obviously the hard working students know that HARD WORK is important. for those that don't care it doesn't need to be reiterated because, obviously, they don't care.

    it doesn't matter if you're chief resident or not. if you want to assume all AUA students are lazy so be it; i don't have time to care. i'm in a great hospital where the staff is extremely helpful and every student i've met puts adequate dedication into their work.
    o don't mind rahulb.. he's just mad cause he had to leave funtastic antigua.

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