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    Dont take AUA seriously

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    For anyone who is serious about studying and practicing medicine, stay away from AUA "college of medicine," plain and simple.

    I applied to the premed program predominately because I wanted to speed things up...bypass mcats and get into a program where I could complete the prereqs and move right into the MD program without the hastle of reapplication. At first I thought I was straight with AUA and its program, but thank God, l found out the weaknesses of their program before investing time and money in it. To all of u who are on this board posting, "I got in! See you in September," you people really need to slow it up and take a second look at this school. I did a complete 180 as soon as I learned the truth.

    They make everything sound straight during their recruiting process...calling you on the phone, schmoozing you, and basically making you feel courted...but if you pay close attention, they dont go into too much specifics about their program. What they will tell you is that the program can be completed in 40 months, students can sit for USMLE's, the fifth semester is in Miami, and semesters six through ten are done in "affiliated hospitals" in NY, NJ, MD, GA, and FL.

    What they wont tell you is that,

    1) they have no graduates or no track record

    2) no one in residencies (because no graduates, duh)

    3) the AUA degree isnt even formally recognized in any of these state where there are so called "affiliated hospitals" (again, because of no grads and certain states requiring specific "approval"--dont you get tired of that word on these threads?)

    4) no recognition of degrees by state med boards means no extended clerkships (12 plus weeks) which in many states excludes a person from completing a residency

    5) A website with many typos and misspellings (even though they've redone it about three times---you'd think they'd fix those by now).

    6) A school with basically no admission standards...I've seen post of people who said they made it in with a 2.6 overall...Standards are pretty damn low.

    7) the school they supposedly "twin" with, is having their own issues with derecognition by whoever runs the show in India.

    8) they never make it clear if there are actual contractual agreements between these "affiliated hospitals" or just some doctor who lets AUA students shadow them without the board even knowing.

    I could go on with about ten more disturbing things...I'm not trying to be some kind of a pric. I just want those who have the chance to make a choice to make the right one, and not deal with this school.

    Honestly, for anyone who hasn't completed the premed sciences just yet, I suggest you do it the old fashioned way and stay in the states. After I found all this stuff out about AUA's program, I was disappointed. But imagine how disappointed I would've been to invest 4 years of time and money and come back home and constantly have to defend my credentials from a shaky, if not shady program.

    Keep it real, unless you've really bombed out in undergrad, or really just want to study in the sun, trying for a US school is the best bet. If you really want it, you'll get it. I have a friend who tried and failed twice, spending thousands of dollars on applications for two years. But she never gave up, and on her third time around, she got in to a US school. Like I said, if you really want it and are willing to work for it, you can get it...even if it takes years and many rejections. Dont settle for crap like AUA or some of these other "offshore" programs. (I'm not talking about a school like SGU though. SGU's program is serious.) It's not that serious and no one should be that desperate. If you are, than maybe you're not meant to practice medicine. Besides, there seems to be a lot of insecurity from students in these programs, especially AUA's. Why do people still bother with them when the warnings are out there????
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    Take It With Some Water And Chill

    Quote Originally Posted by teddyrose
    For anyone who is serious about studying and practicing medicine, stay away from AUA "college of medicine," plain and simple.

    I applied to the premed program predominately because I wanted to speed things up...bypass mcats and get into a program where I could complete the prereqs and move right into the MD program without the hastle of reapplication. At first I thought I was straight with AUA and its program, but thank God, l found out the weaknesses of their program before investing time and money in it. To all of u who are on this board posting, "I got in! See you in September," you people really need to slow it up and take a second look at this school. I did a complete 180 as soon as I learned the truth.

    They make everything sound straight during their recruiting process...calling you on the phone, schmoozing you, and basically making you feel courted...but if you pay close attention, they dont go into too much specifics about their program. What they will tell you is that the program can be completed in 40 months, students can sit for USMLE's, the fifth semester is in Miami, and semesters six through ten are done in "affiliated hospitals" in NY, NJ, MD, GA, and FL.

    What they wont tell you is that,

    1) they have no graduates or no track record

    2) no one in residencies (because no graduates, duh)

    3) the AUA degree isnt even formally recognized in any of these state where there are so called "affiliated hospitals" (again, because of no grads and certain states requiring specific "approval"--dont you get tired of that word on these threads?)

    4) no recognition of degrees by state med boards means no extended clerkships (12 plus weeks) which in many states excludes a person from completing a residency

    5) A website with many typos and misspellings (even though they've redone it about three times---you'd think they'd fix those by now).

    6) A school with basically no admission standards...I've seen post of people who said they made it in with a 2.6 overall...Standards are pretty damn low.

    7) the school they supposedly "twin" with, is having their own issues with derecognition by whoever runs the show in India.

    8) they never make it clear if there are actual contractual agreements between these "affiliated hospitals" or just some doctor who lets AUA students shadow them without the board even knowing.

    I could go on with about ten more disturbing things...I'm not trying to be some kind of a pric. I just want those who have the chance to make a choice to make the right one, and not deal with this school.

    Honestly, for anyone who hasn't completed the premed sciences just yet, I suggest you do it the old fashioned way and stay in the states. After I found all this stuff out about AUA's program, I was disappointed. But imagine how disappointed I would've been to invest 4 years of time and money and come back home and constantly have to defend my credentials from a shaky, if not shady program.

    Keep it real, unless you've really bombed out in undergrad, or really just want to study in the sun, trying for a US school is the best bet. If you really want it, you'll get it. I have a friend who tried and failed twice, spending thousands of dollars on applications for two years. But she never gave up, and on her third time around, she got in to a US school. Like I said, if you really want it and are willing to work for it, you can get it...even if it takes years and many rejections. Dont settle for crap like AUA or some of these other "offshore" programs. (I'm not talking about a school like SGU though. SGU's program is serious.) It's not that serious and no one should be that desperate. If you are, than maybe you're not meant to practice medicine. Besides, there seems to be a lot of insecurity from students in these programs, especially AUA's. Why do people still bother with them when the warnings are out there????


    As the saying goes,” Don’t lick your fingers unless it’s peanut butter that you accidentally touched with them, and not the other buttery stuff.”

    Maybe you are still reading the pages of Value MD, or you are plainly mocking those who are spending the time to lunch over what was previously posted. It’s seemed like all who barked louder than Theodore, the neighbor’s dog, is always the one who suddenly found that his or her path for success could not be achieved in a day lesser of misery. Maybe schools should be just a plain invitation to come in and receive a diploma without having the burden to learn at all. Is that what you want to do? Feel free to buy a diploma on the milling industry then!
    A smart statement is purely logical when its premises fall within its assumption and its meaning with certainty. That’s why you should stay in the states, take your classes there, such as logic/philosophy and what would make you even a better speller, better than those at AUA, and if you failed while sliding on shaky ground, then give AUA a call or the affiliated hospitals that are mentioned on their page instead of running away from the whole truth of your unstated failure. There are people in those hospitals that are willing to help you with all your questions and concerns…or take a bus trip to one of them, if you are in the States, and find out for yourself instead of lamenting of what you should be aware of untimely. Did you call one of the affiliated hospitals? Maybe not! I did when I wanted to secure my time and money wisely and not stupidly. I had many good and half way there answers, but I chose what was helpful in the making of me the MD that I want to be, just like soap, like your dream and then…Bam! Legacy or Emeril.

    As you said, you wanted to bypass the MCAT and be the “ MD” of your dream! Just a reminder and maybe a tedious slap on the wrist, pal! Many students admitted at AUA with low GPAs, so as many other schools in the Caribbean, and even the big shot or supposedly big shot you eloquently mentioned at the end of your speech, accepted students with such because they did quite well on their MCAT and did not want to spend anymore time in a class room in order to raise their dying or already dead GPAs. And age is a factor as well. Not too many of them though did it like you wanted to, and I bet you are slumping the ropes because you can’t pass that crappy MCAT test like many of us did. If the latter is wrong of a heinous statement, just prove me wrong and go ahead and beat the hell out of that test instead of complaining about a school that has been in existence into forth a few years and not to have graduates yet. Just take the time to read and understand some basic statements before lunching with folded wings.

    Why should anyone take AUA seriously? Uh, uh! I missed that part in the gutter of my incapacitated brain! Let me rephrase the whole. Why should I take you seriously when you have not even been on this site posting and suddenly want to convert me into READALLISM I don’t believe in that religion and I may not be a follower, just a leader instead. One of the reasons why I chose AUA as well and you can feel it rolling proudly within.

    Talking about recognition, you are maybe thinking that AUA students, those in rotation in Miami, ATL, NJ, MD and many other places are just there because of some big shot that let them in through a back door. Just stop cutting the dirt and cut the grass instead! Maybe you should call the States and ask your favorite lawmaker why AUA students are rotating in those hospitals. HAHA! You even trimmed us, students at AUA, with the word “INSECURITY.” Let me just flip the coin in your corner, though you may not realize how insecure your traceless assumptions are and falling across is your mentality at not explaining stuff the way it is, which makes us the well secured on the other side of the river.

    Bathe as long as you think that the water is deeper enough to swim you in, and don’t call for the brush that can’t reach your back. You may have to use your hands to scrub thoroughly. We don’t have faith in words here, we have faith in books and a desire to lean and repair our past mistakes while we were navigating blindly during our college days. If you want to learn, and not asking the school to feed you while leaning on the edges of your own fiasco, come to AUA and make the best out of your learning experiences. Like you said,” Keep it real, unless you've really bombed out in undergrad, or really just want to study in the sun, trying for a US school is the best bet.” I am sure you are not blown away and bombed through in college yet, which makes it easier for you to keep your **** where you think it belongs.

    And for any one like you who believes that AUA will just ask you to register and stay at the bar with a glass of dry ash and shot of vodka on the rocks, stay away please. Your warning might be best used if you cautiously apply it to your own demise and merits.

    Don’t take AUA seriously because students there are learning and not being crammed by the hundreds in a room where they are just a number.
    Don’t take AUA seriously because your education matters more to you than it does to AUA.
    Please don’t even take AUA seriously if you think that you might get a shot at faking USMLE like you are planning for your MCAT. Cause my pal, there is no way pass that one, and you must proudly pass that test, which is what AUA offers you all, and the other schools do too. Plain and simple! You don’t need a pair of glasses to think, do you?

    I hope you do well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDXRS22
    <insert gobbldygook here>
    Wow, that tirade was next to unreadable for me. Sorry, perhaps my feeble brain can't follow all the misused analogies and hyperbole and whatever else the heck you were spouting. I'm serious, man, almost NONE of that made any sense to me! Cutting the dirt? READALLISM? Glass of dry ash?

    At the very least, having your whole post in italics makes it hard to read as it is!
    bleh

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    Quote Originally Posted by tRmedic21
    Wow, that tirade was next to unreadable for me. Sorry, perhaps my feeble brain can't follow all the misused analogies and hyperbole and whatever else the heck you were spouting. I'm serious, man, almost NONE of that made any sense to me! Cutting the dirt? READALLISM? Glass of dry ash?

    At the very least, having your whole post in italics makes it hard to read as it is!
    LOL
    It's just the irony of writing
    read all ism= read any posted stuff

    cutting the dirt= don't go the other way around
    dry ash= used to describe a drunk who can't take anymore drinks

    Just read between the lines.
    The analogies are simple: They are meant to make you think too.
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    Haha... ok, well, thinking is something I do at work... not when I'm relaxing on the boards at home. Oh well, different strokes for different folks... I still think your style does not lend itself well to making a point. Seems much too round-about to me.

    Oh well, like I said though, my brain is feeble... to many years being pickled by Carib.
    bleh

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    Quote Originally Posted by tRmedic21
    Haha... ok, well, thinking is something I do at work... not when I'm relaxing on the boards at home. Oh well, different strokes for different folks... I still think your style does not lend itself well to making a point. Seems much too round-about to me.

    Oh well, like I said though, my brain is feeble... to many years being pickled by Carib.
    I love the last statement

    Yeah. On this board, one must be careful at not insulting folks...sensitivity matters too. That's why we often go round and about with stuff

    Some will get it, and some will not. Just to keep the mods away with that edit post stuff Steph and T are good at that one
    I need to think about something...maybe you know what...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDXRS22
    I love the last statement

    Yeah. On this board, one must be careful at not insulting folks...sensitivity matters too. That's why we often go round and about with stuff

    Some will get it, and some will not. Just to keep the mods away with that edit post stuff Steph and T are good at that one
    Yeah, I take that as a personal insult...please edit....
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    Quote Originally Posted by teratos
    Yeah, I take that as a personal insult...please edit....
    OOPS!

    I did not know you were paying attention My bad!
    I need to think about something...maybe you know what...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDXRS22
    OOPS!

    I did not know you were paying attention My bad!

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    To MDXRS22

    I was just about to be done with the message board after two post, but its people like you who always give me another reason to post again.

    1st, that was a hell of a reply...a hell of a reply that I didn't bother to finish reading. I scrolled down to the next reply and dude right under you said it all when he called your blog "unreadable."

    2nd, seems like you taking things a little personal...infering this and assuming that, based on the fact that I believe AUA sucks. Like I said, I didn't finish reading what you had to say (thanks for reading mine though ), but the part I did read never refuted any of my claims against the school. It just invented reasons why I'm "really" this, that, or the other.

    3rd, who are you trying to impress on valuemd, sounding like a pseudo-intellectual?

    4th, I'm about six preqs shy of taking the mcats---no bio yet, no orgo, or no physics. Why would you try and knock me for wanting to bypass mcats? You ever heard of a post-bacc program? That's basically what a lot of them do. Matter of fact, I got into the post-bacc program at CCNY last September, but didn't attend because of the commute and scheduling. You could see why I thought I could "speed things up" with AUA after basically loosing a semester.

    5th, You sound like a real genius, MDXRwhateva. Could it be that the very reason I put AUA on blast is because they couldn't answer these questions, or just flat out refused to? The problem with AUA is that they couldn't answer any of my questions, from the trivial, to the dire. In the end, I felt like I was the one who was dumb for even dealing with them. Hmmm, that gets me thinking, are you dealing with them? Maybe that's why you come off sounding so dumb.

    6th, as for my girl who finally made it in...it doesn't matter how much she flopped, how tired she got of school, or how many times she took the mcats---she still made it, and she's making it now! And yes, I said and meant INSECURE! Some of these mofos on here be sounding reeeaaal insecure---insecure about where they can practice, who's got "approval," and some be insecure about if they can even get in. I'm just callin it like I see it. Why kittyfoot around it?

    7th, I wasn't on this thread tryin to knock anyone pursuing their purpose or dream. I'm mainly tryin to give a heads up to someone who may be like me, looking for a fast way through. I smartened up before I wasted precious time and money. There is no fast way. You either got it or you dont, or you work even harder and make up for what you dont have (like my girl did). If I was so wrong in my post, u should've corrected me with the truth. Instead, u just proved to the world that truth is a bitter pill to swallow. Too bad its too late for you to spit this one out.

    And thanks. I will do well.
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