2 yrs of College then med school?? - Page 3

chartero · #21 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jasano

So anyway, you jumped over the posting about quotas and affirmative action, so I assume that you believe in inequality and the entitlements of the entitled, so I'll view everything you say from that vantage point henceforth. Fair enough?

When it comes to premed, what I mean is a course of study specifically designed for entry into medicine. That is to say, not a course designed as a degree in and of itself, no, unless that degree was designed specifically as a premedical program degree - such programs do exist in the United States.

Many universities used to run 'premedical programs'. You can believe this or not - I really could care less, and now they don't. What this does is make it more difficult for students who are trying to acquire the necessary science background to do so - degree in hand or not.

It is not as you say, 'easy' to assemble such courses on one's own, much less to schedule these courses yourself into a workable timetable, or to complete them in a reasonable period of time. I do not believe that a bachelor's degree in biochemistry say, (typically used), or (biology) would better prepare students for medicine than a program specifically designed for this purpose.

As I stated, Red Deer College in Alberta is the only college offering premedical studies in Canada that I am aware of. I will not search through reams and reams of texts to confirm for you that Canada has no other offerings in this area. If you want to do that kind of leg work, you do it yourself. Suffice to say, I spent plenty of time researching it already to come up with the one college.

You do the leg work and you'll see what I'm saying. I haven't the time nor inclination to do it for you.

Athabasca University: How to become a Physician.

Athabasca is an open-admissions public university offering distance learning courses with home and home-computer labs where scheduling and class capacity would not be issues at all. I believe they offer rolling admissions to courses every month. These are university credit courses applicable to university degrees. They are described on a page called "How to become a Physician." The page talks about "many" Athabasca premedical students, even to the point of saying "many pre-med students at AU are 'preaccepted' to a professional school, as long as they complete some of these subjects."

I suppose a few medical schools might redline courses with home or home-computer labs. Not so many that they don't have "many pre-med students," even where their medical schools basically send them to Athabasca to finish their prerequisites.

What's more, besides being a Canadian public university and a full member of the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, Athabasca is the first Canadian university with U.S. regional accreditation. This would put an them in better stead with American medical schools than other sources, probably saving paperwork for foreign credential evaluations at some schools and so on.

It took me seconds to find this.

jasano · #22 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chartero

Athabasca University: How to become a Physician.

Athabasca is an open-admissions public university offering distance learning courses with home and home-computer labs where scheduling and class capacity would not be issues at all. I believe they offer rolling admissions to courses every month. These are university credit courses applicable to university degrees. They are described on a page called "How to become a Physician." The page talks about "many" Athabasca premedical students, even to the point of saying "many pre-med students at AU are 'preaccepted' to a professional school, as long as they complete some of these subjects."

I suppose a few medical schools might redline courses with home or home-computer labs. Not so many that they don't have "many pre-med students," even where their medical schools basically send them to Athabasca to finish their prerequisites.

What's more, besides being a Canadian public university and a full member of the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, Athabasca is the first Canadian university with U.S. regional accreditation. This would put an them in better stead with American medical schools than other sources, probably saving paperwork for foreign credential evaluations at some schools and so on.

It took me seconds to find this.

I was already well aware of Athabasca University's distance education programs and had considered them in my search, however, and this is a big, however, learning at a distance is much more difficult than learning in a classroom. I have taken distance education courses in the past, and you are literally equating apples and oranges yet again. If you feel that this is a route that suits you, then by all means pursue it. I think that doing laboratories at a distance and not having the one to one assistance available in a classroom setting will make such studies more difficult. Still, Athabasca might be one of your better choices if you're stuck on, or in, Canada.

While they are worthy of consideration, I doubt very much that successful completion of any of their programs would guarantee entry into a Medical program. I'm not sure what the term 'preaccepted' means in that context.

dpatel987 · #23 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 02:51 PM

Jameslynton- not everyone on this works for the school. Or is that your comeback twds everyone?
I guess being on this all the time must get to you. It's ok.

FutureMD46 · #24 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 02:19 AM

WOW!!!! Can someone ask a ? question without an argument about a completely different topic!!! Who cares if you are the "right" person on some forum? Let someone believe what they want to believe and just quit talking about it. 2 posts with answers to the ? and 3 pages of arguing... Are you people in medical school or 5th grade?

I would really like to see how many of you are student...

POST WHERE YOU GO TO SCHOOL AFTER ME

chartero · #25 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 10:58 AM

Like I've posted elsewhere on vmd, I'm not in medical school.

jasano · #26 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FutureMD46

WOW!!!! Can someone ask a ? question without an argument about a completely different topic!!! Who cares if you are the "right" person on some forum? Let someone believe what they want to believe and just quit talking about it. 2 posts with answers to the ? and 3 pages of arguing... Are you people in medical school or 5th grade?

I would really like to see how many of you are student...

POST WHERE YOU GO TO SCHOOL AFTER ME

Firstly, I do not think it's a mark of immaturity to discuss divergences of opinion. Even more importantly, it is vital that issues like discrimination, (which you yourself alluded to in your opening), ARE discussed. In effect, I was well and truly done discussing this matter before your posting - quotas are discrimination period, and I referred my detractors to an article noting gross incompetence and even patient deaths under the care of a physician who was taken in under affirmative action policies. Affirmative action in medical school admissions is a serious matter with serious consequences. Anyone above a grade 5 level would be able to see that.

Since I have presented reasoned arguments only to have them callously disgarded, I think there is no point in citing further examples - obviously those who believe they derive some benefit from affirmative action policies will continue to defend them no matter how deep in hypocrisy they may find themselves.

I myself am an honor's graduate from a bachelor of science in nursing degree and hold a college degree and certificate as well. I am not currently attending medical school, but I may be doing so if I can get through the mound of paper work necessary for immigration, within the time constraints placed upon me. I share your concerns with regards to admission chances to Canadian/American Universities and likewise believe that the accelerated programs of study offered by Xavier would be of benefit to my situation as well. Since I plan on attending Xavier's premedical program in January, I could let you know my thoughts on the program first hand in a few months time.

FutureMD46 · #27 (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 06:09 PM

The only reason i stated im not asian is because people were asking if i was and if my parents were forcing me to going to medical school early. I wasnt stating anything about discrimination. I think that medical schools do a very good job at not discriminating against anyone. For the most part, they discriminate against personality. If you are an honors student, but have the personality of a toilet seat, your not going to make a good doctor. Plain and simple. I know i wouldnt want to go into surgery with someone who has a bad attitude or cant carry on a conversation with me.

eastern2western · #28 (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chartero

Athabasca University: How to become a Physician.

Athabasca is an open-admissions public university offering distance learning courses with home and home-computer labs where scheduling and class capacity would not be issues at all. I believe they offer rolling admissions to courses every month. These are university credit courses applicable to university degrees. They are described on a page called "How to become a Physician." The page talks about "many" Athabasca premedical students, even to the point of saying "many pre-med students at AU are 'preaccepted' to a professional school, as long as they complete some of these subjects."

I suppose a few medical schools might redline courses with home or home-computer labs. Not so many that they don't have "many pre-med students," even where their medical schools basically send them to Athabasca to finish their prerequisites.

What's more, besides being a Canadian public university and a full member of the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, Athabasca is the first Canadian university with U.S. regional accreditation. This would put an them in better stead with American medical schools than other sources, probably saving paperwork for foreign credential evaluations at some schools and so on.

It took me seconds to find this.

The last time I checked, there is no state in USA acceptes a diploma from some onlline medical unversity. If you only care about having a nice looking piece of paper on your wall while mopping floors at your local mcdonal, then you should attend this distance university.

eastern2western · #29 (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FutureMD46

Hi
Im a soon to be student at Xavier Bonaire and was wondering what everybody thought of a college student, 2 years in, going to the island and finishing up their requirements for the 90 hours in one semester and then starting their medical program. The reason for me skipping out on college is because i have the opportunity to speed up my medical career. I also have no chance in hell of getting into an american medical program. I know the owners of this school and they are all accomplished doctors in the united states, and their curriculum is based on the NEOUCOM program. I know that the professors have all taught in the US as well. My biggest concern is not getting my **. Is that going to have any barring on residency chances or will that work to my advantage in seeing that i am ambitious.

Honestly, my choices are stick out another 2-3 years in the states to finish my ** and then apply to medical schools, or go here for 4 years and cut of 3 years of schooling and be able to start my career sooner than most.

Opinions please...

PS Im not indian or pakistani and my parents have never harbored my dream of becoming a physician they have shunned it.

You should stay and finish your undergrad or at least get 90 units. There is one detail you probably did not read about the 90 unit requirement and that is those units must be from a us-accredited university. If this xavier medical school is us-accredite, then the units you take will count for your 90 unit requirement. Last time I checked, the school is not us accredited. Basically, it means their pre-med units are worth less. If you do not believe me, then you should take your chances.

jameslynton · #30 (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dpatel987

Jameslynton- not everyone on this works for the school. Or is that your comeback twds everyone?
I guess being on this all the time must get to you. It's ok.

I love hearing from my fans. Enough said.

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