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Old 03-19-2008, 08:31 PM
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So I can't practice in TEXAS if I go to Xavier-Aruba?

Is this true? Can someone shed some light? Thanks in advance
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Technically you can but it is a long difficult road with no certainty. Texas requires the school to be LCME or LMCE approved and you have to prove your school is equivalent to Texas med school standards. So its a chance type thing, if you have very competitive board scores, all cores and electives are greenbook, then you MIGHT stand a chance, but its all upto their disgression. THey can deny licensure for any reason they see fit due to your school not being equivalent to Texas standards. Maybe someone else can elaborate further, but this is the jist of it.
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Very very possibly not. While they may examine you on an "individual basis" they are capricious and simply may not take you. They often don't. And USMLE scores have nothing to do with it.
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You are absolutely correct. Their "on a case by case basis" means nothing else than "we will grant you a hearing and deny your license there". It is a way of justifying due process.



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Texas requires the school to be LCME or LMCE approved and you have to prove your school is equivalent to Texas med school standards. So its a chance type thing, if you have very competitive board scores, all cores and electives are greenbook, then you MIGHT stand a chance, but its all upto their disgression. THey can deny licensure for any reason they see fit due to your school not being equivalent to Texas standards. Maybe someone else can elaborate further, but this is the jist of it.
First off, Texas has minimum requirements for undergrad you will have to meet, before medical education is evaluated and you will have to work a minimum number of years after graduating in order to be considered if you attended a school not on the equivalent list.

Secondly, no Caribbean school will be LCME or AOA approved, those are for U.S. schools in MD and DO, respectively. (also Canada and Puerto Rico)

Third, your medical education include these basic components:
  1. 130 weeks minimum
  2. Basic Science is to have anatomy, biochemistry, biology, physiology, microbiology, immunology, pathology, pharmacology, and neuroscience.
  3. Clinical Science Cores - IM, OB/GYN, FP, psych, peds, and surgery, all of which must be ACGME.
  4. Any electives done over the 130 week minimum do not need to be ACGME/"green". Before 130 weeks, it must be ACGME.
  5. All rotations used as ACGME must match exactly to the same specialty or sub-specialty and same facility, not an affiliated site without formal recognition which you can pull up easily on my signature by Sree.(no family practice "umbrella" nonsense)
  6. If you provide documentation from a LCME or AOA medical school that you rotated with their medical students, then you can by-pass the ACGME requirement. (does this seem likely?!?!?)
Here's the link:
Physician Checklist of Supplemental Documentation and Important Information

I also attached the form for students who attend schools that are not on Texas's "pre-approved" list that do not have to prove that they are equivalent to Texas medical schools like SGU, Ross, and AUC. Everything I summarized above is laid out in the form.

Keep in mind, they can deny your license for missing any of their requirements in undergrad, medical school, clinicals, even your own character. On top of that, if you meet all requirements, they can put restrictions and/or require additional classes for you to attend. And if they ever call you for a meeting, better call a good administrative lawyer.
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Thanks for the information guys, I really appreciate it!

So basically, I shouldn't bet on being able to practice in Texas...but there's still a VERY slight glimmer of hope that I can.

If anyone can answer this question for me I'd appreciate it:
IAUStudent06 stated "Secondly, no Caribbean school will be LCME or AOA approved, those are for U.S. schools in MD and DO, respectively."

If schools like Ross, Xavier, St. Georges are 'US ACCREDITED' then why are they not considered 'U.S. Schools'? I know they are not geographically in the U.S., but is that the reason why they can't be LCME or AOA approved??? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Thanks for the information guys, I really appreciate it!

So basically, I shouldn't bet on being able to practice in Texas...but there's still a VERY slight glimmer of hope that I can.

If anyone can answer this question for me I'd appreciate it:
IAUStudent06 stated "Secondly, no Caribbean school will be LCME or AOA approved, those are for U.S. schools in MD and DO, respectively."

If schools like Ross, Xavier, St. Georges are 'US ACCREDITED' then why are they not considered 'U.S. Schools'? I know they are not geographically in the U.S., but is that the reason why they can't be LCME or AOA approved??? That doesn't make sense to me.
the LCME has jurisdiction over schools that open in the US, canada, and puerto rico and there is no "US accreditation" the degrees of sgu, ross, AUC are accepted in all 50 states because these schools have gone through application process with each individual state that requires it either just for clinicals, for residency, for full unrestricted licensure or any combo. new york, florida have approvals for clinicals and or residency. california is about as close to a LCME school you will get and auc, ross, sgu, and saba are on that list and are about as comparable to a US school as you will get in the caribbean.

for your purposes texas has a list they have reviewed and view as "equivalent" to a texas lcme school..that is AUC, Ross, and SGU thats it. coming from these schools you do not have to prove equivalency just the rotation requirements.

foreign schools have to go through the regulations of their own country. there are independent accrediting bodies that will look at the standards used by the country and state that they are similar to US standards but that is far from "accreditation". all a foreign school needs to do to open is pay a fee to the govt they want and get a letter and charter....the letter is then sent to IMED directory for listing...this is basically a phone book of all medical schools, it doesn't say which are open/closed, standards, or anything else

as you can see it is complicated and it gets worse...when you are done with med school some states use the califiornia list to license you, some use it as a guideline to approve or deny you...some states have their own list of approved or disapproved schools like indiana, oregon. kansas requires a school to be open for 15 yearsd before they license you and then there are even more cloudy reqs like pre med courses, how many times you took a licensing exam before passing and it goes on and on and on

basically try to get into the best school you can..number one should be in the US, then outside and look for schools that have a long track record of putting out fully licensed doctors...not residents but full practicing docs...how long they have been around, pass rates, how many they admit vs how many graduate on time. to start off the foreign route by going to a new carib school is just not sensible if you have other options..collectively sgu, auc, and ross have more than 10,000 practicing doctors in every specialty in every state. the path has already been laid all you gotta do is follow it rather than blaze new paths and look for loopholes try to go into a long stating program.

this doesn't say that graduating from a new school will make you a bad doctor, that you willnot work, or that you are a bad student but why would you limit where youcan work if you don't have to?
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when you are done with med school some states use the califiornia list to license you, some use it as a guideline to approve or deny you...some states have their own list of approved or disapproved schools like indiana, oregon. kansas requires a school to be open for 15 yearsd before they license you and then there are even more cloudy reqs like pre med courses, how many times you took a licensing exam before passing and it goes on and on and on
Here's an updated list for some states:

U.S. National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation – approved foreign accrediting agencies: National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA)

California Approved and Disapproved- Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools

New York Clinical Approval (Form 2CC)- NYS Medicine Application Forms

Indiana (2nd to last pgf form) - PLA: Medical Licensing Board of Indiana

Kansas - KSBHA -

Texas Disapproved - THECB > Academic Affairs and Research > Private Colleges and Institutes > Fraudulent Institutions
Texas Approved - Substantial Equivalence
Physician Applicants

Oregan - Disapproved
www.ndbomex.com/DisapprovedMedSchools.pdf

North Dakata - Disapproved
http://www.ndbomex.com/DisapprovedMedSchools.pdf

Michigan – Disapproved
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/No...ls_78090_7.pdf

Alabama – Disapproved/Requires more documents (bottom of page)
Alabama Board of Medical Examiners
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