01/19/05 20:06:17 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hi clover
01/19/05 20:06:26 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: fine!
01/19/05 20:06:33 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: hello usmle and sux
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01/19/05 20:07:16 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: hey everyone
01/19/05 20:07:33 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hi mick
01/19/05 20:07:48 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: hello mick
01/19/05 20:08:34 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: tonights topics from behavioral are Learning and Behavior Modification Defense mechanisms Psychologic health and Testing
01/19/05 20:09:19 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: should we get started or wait for others?
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01/19/05 20:09:56 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: i think start now and they can join when they come
01/19/05 20:10:03 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hi zoya
01/19/05 20:10:09 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: hey zoya
01/19/05 20:10:12 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: hi
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01/19/05 20:11:01 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: we'll start with learning and behavioral modifications....everyone ready?
01/19/05 20:11:10 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: yes
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01/19/05 20:11:19 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep
01/19/05 20:11:26 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: ok
01/19/05 20:11:27 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: hello drkittu
01/19/05 20:11:37 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: hey drkittu
01/19/05 20:11:46 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hi drkittu
01/19/05 20:12:26 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: hello all
01/19/05 20:12:58 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: hi drkittu
01/19/05 20:13:17 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: did you go know the new change in prerequite for Step-2CS
01/19/05 20:13:28 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: sorry for my spelling mistakes
01/19/05 20:13:50 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: no
01/19/05 20:14:11 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i think that you no longer need to have passed step 1 to take it
01/19/05 20:14:11 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: It seems There is no need to complete step-1 for step-2 CS
01/19/05 20:14:21 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: Yep
01/19/05 20:14:39 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i heard that the other day, but wasn't sure if it was true
01/19/05 20:14:54 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: it is true
01/19/05 20:15:02 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: cool
01/19/05 20:15:02 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: oh ,i think i heard about that
01/19/05 20:15:09 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: what type of reinforcer is it when a stumulus, when applied following an operant response, strengthens the probability of that response
01/19/05 20:15:30 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: positive reinforcement
01/19/05 20:15:41 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: positive reinforcement
01/19/05 20:15:56 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: positive
01/19/05 20:15:56 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: poitive
01/19/05 20:16:05 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, very good
01/19/05 20:16:05 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: positive
01/19/05 20:16:35 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: what about negative reinforcement....how is that defined?
01/19/05 20:17:14 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: when the stimulus is taken away, it strenthens the response.
01/19/05 20:17:45 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, can you give some examples?
01/19/05 20:18:12 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: shock, loud noise
01/19/05 20:19:06 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, good clover
01/19/05 20:19:26 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: aversive stimulus(losinng television previlages) increasesdesired behaviour(studying)
01/19/05 20:19:45 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, good zoya
01/19/05 20:19:58 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: i meant avoidence of aversive stimulus
01/19/05 20:20:32 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: what type of reinforcement schedule has the highest rates of response and greatest resistance to extinction?
01/19/05 20:20:57 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: variable ratio
01/19/05 20:21:20 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: variable ratio
01/19/05 20:21:48 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep, both right
01/19/05 20:21:49 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: eg,gambling
01/19/05 20:23:11 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: not really many questions from this chapter??
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01/19/05 20:23:29 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: i know. its a short chapter
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01/19/05 20:24:30 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hi mdme
01/19/05 20:24:38 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: hello mdme
01/19/05 20:24:46 [USMLE_Step_1] mdme: Hi
01/19/05 20:24:51 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: hi
01/19/05 20:24:57 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: NO candy,, child stops talking..?
01/19/05 20:25:57 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i think thats an example of negative reinforcement drkittu
01/19/05 20:26:27 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: its kind of behavioural theray what do u call it?
01/19/05 20:27:34 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: dont know
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01/19/05 20:28:04 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: Extinction
01/19/05 20:28:07 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: iam bored
01/19/05 20:28:13 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: what do you think people?
01/19/05 20:28:20 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: do you have any questions
01/19/05 20:28:27 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: about what?
01/19/05 20:28:38 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: about the topics for tonight
01/19/05 20:28:44 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: behavioral science?
01/19/05 20:28:56 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: Learning and Behavior Modification Defense mechanisms Psychologic health and Testing
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01/19/05 20:29:06 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: hehe.....sorry, i don't even know what topic yo talking about
01/19/05 20:29:07 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: from behavior science
01/19/05 20:29:18 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: where's it come from?
01/19/05 20:29:25 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: from kaplan
01/19/05 20:29:42 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: http://usmle.valuemd.com/ftopic56.html for full schedule
01/19/05 20:29:42 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: sorry got disconnected
01/19/05 20:29:48 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: oh, i have no kaplan
01/19/05 20:30:05 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: but i have questions.....yall ready?
01/19/05 20:30:12 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: thats probably why you're bored.
01/19/05 20:30:32 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: what kind of questions do you have?
01/19/05 20:30:33 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: hehe....maybe
01/19/05 20:30:45 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: behavioral science questions
01/19/05 20:31:13 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: we haven't read everything from behavioral yet, but we can try
01/19/05 20:31:25 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: anything on defense mechs?
01/19/05 20:31:55 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: question1: AIDS pts,memory, tremor, ataxia....? what do you think this pt has?
01/19/05 20:32:23 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: memory loss, AIDS pts, tremor, ataxia..........., what do you think this pt has?
01/19/05 20:33:39 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: ok, this pt has AIDS complex dementia
01/19/05 20:33:44 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: thats all the history. i dont know. the memory loss could be aids dementia
01/19/05 20:33:52 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: kool
01/19/05 20:34:14 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: but why the ataxia and tremor?
01/19/05 20:34:15 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: clues: AIDS, memory loss= AIDS dementia.....that's all you need to know
01/19/05 20:34:42 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: what is often the first response to bad news such as impending death of loved one or self (which def mech)?
01/19/05 20:34:50 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: ataxia because pts prob have cerebellum prob
01/19/05 20:34:57 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: denial
01/19/05 20:34:59 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: denial
01/19/05 20:35:05 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: denial
01/19/05 20:35:05 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: maybe pt on alcoholic
01/19/05 20:35:22 [USMLE_Step_1] drkittu: thnx Sux
01/19/05 20:35:44 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: can anyone plz explain spontaneous recovery?
01/19/05 20:35:47 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: you are wellcome kittu
01/19/05 20:36:11 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep denial is right
01/19/05 20:36:30 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: spontaneous receover in relation to what
01/19/05 20:36:49 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: from pevious chapter
01/19/05 20:37:03 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: in relation to extinction
01/19/05 20:37:23 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: page 76 from kap
01/19/05 20:37:36 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: after extinction, response occurs again without further reinforcement
01/19/05 20:38:06 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: yes but can you give any example
01/19/05 20:38:20 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: it's not clear to me
01/19/05 20:38:43 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: hey, i have prob
01/19/05 20:39:17 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: i keep falling in love with a guy who frenquently abuse me? what kind of disorder do you think i have?
01/19/05 20:39:23 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: lol
01/19/05 20:39:39 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: you mentioned gambling earlier. well in that example, the reinforcement is winning. well here the person might continue to be addicted to gambling even if he never wins (without further reinforcement)
01/19/05 20:40:41 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: sux, i think we all share your disorder
01/19/05 20:40:51 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: thanks, clover
01/19/05 20:40:56 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: lol
01/19/05 20:41:04 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: what disorder do you think i have?
01/19/05 20:41:16 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: seriously
01/19/05 20:41:26 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: dependent personality??
01/19/05 20:41:29 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: iam making joke but it helps you study too
01/19/05 20:41:48 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: no, it's borderline personality disorder
01/19/05 20:42:23 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: that person might have borderline personality, but the criteria are not defined in the example
01/19/05 20:43:15 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: in fact, the borderline personality would be more likely to be the abuser since they have such volatile relationships
01/19/05 20:43:15 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: hehe....anyway, clues: fallen in love with him, threatens to commit suicide
01/19/05 20:44:40 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: the biggest clue for borderline would be the splitting personality where everything is all good or all bad. in this example, the boyfriend would be the best person ever and then the scum of the earth a week later....lol.....sounds like many people i know
01/19/05 20:44:43 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: usmle: borderline clues: fallen in love with him, threatens to commit suicide because he doesn't love you back/ignore you, unstable mood..........trust me on this....i won't say if i don't know for sure
01/19/05 20:45:36 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: ok, sounds good to me. thanks for info
01/19/05 20:46:06 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: usmle: no prob....want more?
01/19/05 20:46:32 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: borderline person from moment to moment => *) :<
01/19/05 20:46:49 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: lol
01/19/05 20:47:08 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: *evil*
01/19/05 20:47:21 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, please continue suz
01/19/05 20:47:25 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: sux
01/19/05 20:47:29 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: lol
01/19/05 20:48:10 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: what is often the first response to bad news such as impending death of loved one or self (which def mech)?
01/19/05 20:48:22 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: oops, sorry already asked that
01/19/05 20:48:31 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: no prob
01/19/05 20:49:51 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: which defense mech has a person who attributes his or her own wishes, desires, thoughts or emotions to someone else. example is man who commits adultery is convinced wife is have affair even though no evidence of it
01/19/05 20:50:12 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: projection
01/19/05 20:50:20 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: projection
01/19/05 20:50:31 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: projection
01/19/05 20:50:53 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep its projection
01/19/05 20:51:51 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: a 59 yr old hospitalized pt insists he will only eat french fries and ice cream
01/19/05 20:52:08 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: what def mech?
01/19/05 20:52:59 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hospitalized for what? if its a heart attack or something like that, then maybe denial. need more info
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01/19/05 20:53:15 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: its regression
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01/19/05 20:53:37 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: child like behave under stress
01/19/05 20:53:46 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: good point
01/19/05 20:54:20 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: iam still thinking about borderline disorder..........hehe
01/19/05 20:54:28 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: pt's regresses when they are ill
01/19/05 20:54:59 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i eat fries and ice cream....maybe i'm regressing chronically ...
01/19/05 20:55:37 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: which defense mech is this example? "mr jones, you are sufffering from....gee, i just cant remember what it is called"? temporary or transient block in thinking or inability to remember
01/19/05 20:55:52 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya:
01/19/05 20:56:04 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: blocking....i hope i dont get it in exam
01/19/05 20:56:16 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: blocking
01/19/05 20:56:24 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: agree. blocking
01/19/05 20:56:33 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: what was answer sux?
01/19/05 20:57:21 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: answer what?
01/19/05 20:57:37 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep blocking. what is difference between blocking and repression?
01/19/05 20:57:59 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: to the fries and ice cream. was it regression?
01/19/05 20:58:29 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: yes, it's regression........zoya was right!
01/19/05 20:58:55 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: repression, you forget and then forget that you forgot. blocking is a temporary block that will come back
01/19/05 20:59:22 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: borderline disorder was my joke....sorry for disturb !
01/19/05 21:00:13 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: but the ones that are usually confused are supression and repression where suppression can be recalled with right stimulus or cue whereas repression in usually not recoverable
01/19/05 21:01:32 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: what defense mech is it where unacceptable impulse is changed to acceptable channel?
01/19/05 21:01:44 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: sublimation
01/19/05 21:01:56 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: sublim
01/19/05 21:01:56 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: sublimation
01/19/05 21:02:06 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep
01/19/05 21:03:02 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: what about someone who is doing good without an apparent return?
01/19/05 21:03:15 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: a cancer pt decides he will worry about his condition for 20 mins a day
01/19/05 21:03:18 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: altruistic
01/19/05 21:03:24 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: altruism
01/19/05 21:04:03 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: altruism?
01/19/05 21:04:10 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: is that suppression zoya
01/19/05 21:04:16 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: rt
01/19/05 21:04:23 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, altruism
01/19/05 21:05:20 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: which def mech is it where unacceptable behavior is transformed to its opposite?
01/19/05 21:05:41 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: reaction formation
01/19/05 21:05:47 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: reaction form
01/19/05 21:05:59 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: reaction formation
01/19/05 21:06:04 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep
01/19/05 21:07:32 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: considering somatoform, factitious and malingering.....which has unconscious symptom production?
01/19/05 21:07:54 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: somatoform
01/19/05 21:07:55 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: somatoform
01/19/05 21:08:21 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, somatoform
01/19/05 21:08:39 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: can i make a comment?
01/19/05 21:08:59 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: sure
01/19/05 21:09:22 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: ofcourse
01/19/05 21:09:51 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: can you ask questions in clinical senario because usmle won't ask for definition
01/19/05 21:10:20 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: they give you clinical cases and ask you what's it
01/19/05 21:10:52 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: thats true, but these particular chats are supposed to be to study the particular chapters in kaplan. the forums are for the longer, clinical type questions
01/19/05 21:11:26 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: ok, fine......sorry for beeing noisy
01/19/05 21:11:44 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: we can try to integrate both
01/19/05 21:12:07 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: some q , some basic
01/19/05 21:12:13 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: now, i have paranoid disorder....
01/19/05 21:12:29 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: sorry folks
01/19/05 21:13:18 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: like with the somatoform disorder, i could have given a longer history of a patient who is always in the hosptial for a variety of stuff and it never shows and evidence of sickness. i think this could be any of the 3, so we would need talk about motivatio
01/19/05 21:14:33 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: for example, if i said the patient is a teen who always gets sick just before her exams and then feels fine just afterwards, sounds like malingering
01/19/05 21:15:37 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: but same patient gets sick randomly and always gets lots of attention. cant really distinguish between somatoform and factitious unless know the motivation. but cant answer unless we know basic differences
01/19/05 21:16:10 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: do you mean more like that?
01/19/05 21:17:35 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: What are the 6 somatoform disorders?
01/19/05 21:18:46 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: hypochondriasis, somatization disorder, body dysmorphic disorder
01/19/05 21:19:06 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: conversion i think is another
01/19/05 21:19:24 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: somatoform
01/19/05 21:19:45 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: yep, pseudocyesis is the last one
01/19/05 21:22:57 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: when asked about his impending heart operation, patient recounts the procedures in detail. he seems remarkably well versed and upon questioning, admits that he has been "reading everything I can get my hands on " about it......
01/19/05 21:23:28 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: he discusses details for hours, yet shows no emotional reaction to the impending events....
01/19/05 21:23:40 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: which of the following is the patient showing?
01/19/05 21:24:05 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: rationaalization, repression, regression, isolation, intellectualization?
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01/19/05 21:24:09 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: intellectualization
01/19/05 21:24:41 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: intellectualization
01/19/05 21:24:47 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: agree
01/19/05 21:25:16 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, thats correct
01/19/05 21:26:13 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: a woman finds herself in a town some distance from her home without any recollection of how she got here......is this repression, supression, dissociation, reaction formation, denial?
01/19/05 21:26:35 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: dissociation
01/19/05 21:26:40 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: dissociation
01/19/05 21:26:43 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: dissociation
01/19/05 21:27:18 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, right again
01/19/05 21:28:30 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: after repeated exposure to a nurse in a white coat followed by an injection, a child learns to cower and cry in response to anyone approaching in a white coat. the childs behavior can best be explained as an example of......
01/19/05 21:29:10 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: cloassical conditioning
01/19/05 21:29:18 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: shaping, instumental conditioning, mediated reflex response arc, respondent conditioning, observational learning?
01/19/05 21:29:19 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: classical
01/19/05 21:29:40 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: respondant
01/19/05 21:30:01 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: of those choices, i guess resondant conditioning
01/19/05 21:30:24 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: respondent?
01/19/05 21:30:38 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: respondent and classical are the same, so everyone correct again
01/19/05 21:30:47 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: yes
01/19/05 21:31:20 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, very good all
01/19/05 21:32:49 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: 2 brothers are fighting. exasperated, the mother says to one of her sons, "go to your room until you apologize to your brother for hitting him". example of....operant conditioning, punishment, aversive conditioning, neg reinforcement, extinction?
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01/19/05 21:33:26 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: negative reinforcemetn
01/19/05 21:33:40 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: negative
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01/19/05 21:33:44 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: tough one. is it neg reinforcement
01/19/05 21:34:03 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, very good everyone
01/19/05 21:34:22 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: these clinical ones are making my fingers tired
01/19/05 21:35:07 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya:
01/19/05 21:35:09 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: is there anything specific we haven't covered yet?
01/19/05 21:35:44 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: we still have one more chapter left
01/19/05 21:35:56 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: ok, which one?
01/19/05 21:36:37 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: psychologic health and testing
01/19/05 21:36:54 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, thats right
01/19/05 21:38:50 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: in contrast to objective psychological test, projective tests ......involve more right and wrong answers, depend more on unstructured test stimuli, are better standardized, require only limited experience for meaningful interpretation, are used to detect..
01/19/05 21:38:59 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: evidence of brain dysfunction?
01/19/05 21:40:04 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: i think it depends more on unstructured test stimuli??
01/19/05 21:40:57 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: agree with clover
01/19/05 21:41:25 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes. projective tests are ambiguous stimuli, have wide range of response options and must be scored by trained clinicians. great!
01/19/05 21:41:59 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: which test is for memory of visual designs?
01/19/05 21:42:39 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: tip of my tongue....starts with a B or D i think
01/19/05 21:43:26 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: is it benson?
01/19/05 21:43:43 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: bender visual gestalt?
01/19/05 21:44:06 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: or bender....maybe i'm saying it wrong
01/19/05 21:44:27 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: no there is also benson...
01/19/05 21:44:37 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: Benton test. had to look that one up because i couldn't remember it
01/19/05 21:45:13 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: the irony that we can't REMEMBER the MEMORY test lol
01/19/05 21:45:33 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: lol
01/19/05 21:45:35 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: oh soorry not benson benton..
01/19/05 21:46:10 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: i hate these tests..........can't seem to remember
01/19/05 21:46:19 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: lol
01/19/05 21:47:52 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: here's a mix of both personality tests and defense mechanisms. which defense mechanism is displayed in the ink blot test?
01/19/05 21:48:37 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: i guess that pts project their feelings when they do that, so i would guess projection??
01/19/05 21:48:48 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: agree with clover
01/19/05 21:49:32 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: very good, its a major projective test
01/19/05 21:49:58 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: sorry, i dont have any clinical questions for this chapter
01/19/05 21:50:35 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: those were good q's usmle..thanks
01/19/05 21:51:15 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: some of them were from kaplan....so kaplan gets the credit
01/19/05 21:51:24 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: how doyou calculate iq according to mental age method?
01/19/05 21:51:46 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: MA/CA x 100
01/19/05 21:52:12 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: mental age over chronological age
01/19/05 21:52:17 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: but you did type those long q's
01/19/05 21:52:40 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: rt
01/19/05 21:52:44 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: thanks
01/19/05 21:53:02 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: you are welcome
01/19/05 21:53:51 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: what type of personality is better equiped to cope with stress?
01/19/05 21:54:28 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: iam a good typer....wonder where usmle live, i can come to type for you
01/19/05 21:54:40 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: typist
01/19/05 21:54:56 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya:
01/19/05 21:55:11 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: typer/typist ....heck know....don't like english much!
01/19/05 21:55:17 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, that would be great. i'm regretting having not paid attention during the typing classes back in high school
01/19/05 21:55:30 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: haha
01/19/05 21:55:31 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: lol
01/19/05 21:56:15 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: any choices zoya. i know it wouldn't be someone with a personality disorder probably
01/19/05 21:57:06 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: type a, hardy personality type
01/19/05 21:57:33 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: it's hardy personality type
01/19/05 21:58:04 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: oh, ok. i probably wouldn't have gotten that even with choices. thanks.
01/19/05 21:58:49 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: is hardy the same as type a?
01/19/05 21:58:57 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: can anyone tell me what i should do in 1 month before the exam?
01/19/05 21:59:02 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: a 18 yr oldwith a terminally ill parent do poorly in school and argues with th teachers
01/19/05 21:59:26 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: no,those were the two choices
01/19/05 21:59:31 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: i don't feel good!
01/19/05 21:59:44 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: sux, there is a 6 week study schedule that you can get from download area
01/19/05 21:59:50 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: it's in the kaplan
01/19/05 22:00:02 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: zoya: i don't know how to do that
01/19/05 22:00:06 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: ok, i'll need to read up on that
01/19/05 22:00:26 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: zoya: would you please help, 4 weeks only, not 6 weeks
01/19/05 22:01:03 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: actually, i suggested the schedule. but i meant you can use it as a guideline for the remaining 4 weeks
01/19/05 22:01:21 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: clover: appreciate...any would help!
01/19/05 22:02:09 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: sux..i dont understand what you meant ...can you explain
01/19/05 22:02:42 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: lots and lots of questions at this point as you get closer to exam. you should get kaplan qbank. if studying from first aid, use the questions on this site
01/19/05 22:04:07 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: ok, i just registered for qbank yesterday
01/19/05 22:04:22 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: and did 100 questions only
01/19/05 22:04:37 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: oh i missed what you wrote about your exam in 1 month..sorry
01/19/05 22:04:38 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i agree. kaplan is good for overall studying. as you get closer, first aid is great high yield assuming you already know the material. qbank are the best questions
01/19/05 22:04:43 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: ok, 1/kaplan qbank...what else?
01/19/05 22:05:17 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: 2. first aid
01/19/05 22:05:25 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: questions on what site?
01/19/05 22:05:44 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: 1/qbank, 2/first aid...........and
01/19/05 22:06:14 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: there are first aid questions on this site. look on the bottom right of this page and you will see it says usmle step 1 questions with a pull down menu for subjects
01/19/05 22:06:20 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: should I read brs for path? or Robin again?
01/19/05 22:06:56 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: i would like to help .........but i am afraid i just started my prep...........but yes q bank, goljan high yield , first aid,
01/19/05 22:06:59 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: you mean USMLE STEP I QUESTIONS?
01/19/05 22:07:05 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: brs for path is good because its high yield, but robbins is good for learning, not for high yield studies in my opinion
01/19/05 22:07:32 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: goljan notes i think are best for path
01/19/05 22:07:51 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: i don't have gojan notes, only have audio
01/19/05 22:07:53 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: goljan is the best for path, but i dont know if sux has it
01/19/05 22:08:14 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: but fall as sleep everytime listen to him
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01/19/05 22:08:37 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: you need his notes to accompany the lectures
01/19/05 22:08:53 sux Logs in
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01/19/05 22:09:04 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: its 10:00, i think we covered just about everything
01/19/05 22:09:23 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: sorry, i was stuppid...i clicked on usmle step i and got kick out
01/19/05 22:09:47 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya:
01/19/05 22:09:56 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: no, its the one that says usmle step 1 questions and then "select one" with choices for subjects
01/19/05 22:10:12 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: then "start"
01/19/05 22:10:54 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: ok, in 4 weeks, 1/qbank 2/first aid, 3/goljan audio ....anything else?
01/19/05 22:11:05 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: clover: thanks
01/19/05 22:11:19 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: you can also find it on the main page and other pages too. lots of really great questions that go with first aid. but they are not clinical and just used to learn first aid stuff
01/19/05 22:11:47 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: with 1 month left, i think that is all you need
01/19/05 22:12:02 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: i guess
01/19/05 22:12:10 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: the goljan audios work much better with the notes
01/19/05 22:12:11 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: thanks usmle, clover, and zoya
01/19/05 22:12:27 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: but no notes...what can i do?
01/19/05 22:12:52 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: you can get them on ebay
01/19/05 22:12:54 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: there are some goljan high yields in the download section, not the ones that go with the lectures, but the closest you can get for free
01/19/05 22:13:53 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: thanks but i can't read anything new at this point
01/19/05 22:14:03 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: oh
01/19/05 22:14:36 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: download stuffs from here is uneasy for me.....i always have prob
01/19/05 22:14:42 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: thats the reason i didnt mention the goljan notes for path, because i figured you were using brs
01/19/05 22:15:11 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: the trick to downloading is that you need to be logged in to see the "download" button
01/19/05 22:15:16 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: yeah, but i heard Gojan is good
01/19/05 22:15:50 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: even better than BRS
01/19/05 22:15:58 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: goljan is the best. maybe try his high yield notes
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01/19/05 22:16:26 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: HIGh yield notes in this forum?
01/19/05 22:16:28 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: goljan combines many subjects, not just path
01/19/05 22:16:30 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: i got disconnected
01/19/05 22:16:35 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: rehi zoya
01/19/05 22:16:44 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: sorry disturb your guys
01/19/05 22:16:48 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, goljan high yields are in the download section
01/19/05 22:16:57 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: are they good?
01/19/05 22:17:01 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: thats what we;re here for
01/19/05 22:17:02 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: no prob....
01/19/05 22:17:08 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: no prob
01/19/05 22:17:10 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: as good as his notes?
01/19/05 22:17:16 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: to help eachother
01/19/05 22:17:57 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: good, if i pass, i will come here to help yo
01/19/05 22:18:03 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: the ones available here are very high yield, so only the most important stuff like previously tested concepts, etc
01/19/05 22:18:43 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i'm sure you will do great sux
01/19/05 22:18:46 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: well, take me forever to find those stuffs.....just forget it!
01/19/05 22:18:52 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: hehe.....i hope
01/19/05 22:18:58 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: let me find the link for you
01/19/05 22:19:06 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: if iam not ready, i will postpone again
01/19/05 22:19:09 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: you will do great
01/19/05 22:19:34 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: yes
01/19/05 22:19:38 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: i just feel mentally sick when i have to think about the exam
01/19/05 22:19:49 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: http://www.valuemd.com/downloads.php...amp;file_id=10 . remember that you will need to be logged into that site with the same name and pass as here
01/19/05 22:19:52 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: thanks folk!
01/19/05 22:19:55 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: i think all of us do
01/19/05 22:20:23 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy:
01/19/05 22:20:35 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: usmle: wow........you are so kind! .....i will cut the address and find out later
01/19/05 22:20:57 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: sorry, i have to go now
01/19/05 22:21:05 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: no problem. like zoya said, we're all here to help each other
01/19/05 22:21:13 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: see you all tomorrow...
01/19/05 22:21:15 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: yes, i think we're all done
01/19/05 22:21:21 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: bye
01/19/05 22:21:21 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: don't yall think usmle is a nice guy? )
01/19/05 22:21:32 [USMLE_Step_1] usmle_guy: i'll see everyone tomorrow. bye everyone
01/19/05 22:21:37 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: bye usmle
01/19/05 22:21:41 [USMLE_Step_1] zoya: bye
01/19/05 22:21:45 [USMLE_Step_1] clover: bye
01/19/05 22:21:45 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: everyone leaving?
01/19/05 22:22:02 [USMLE_Step_1] sux: what are you doing tomorrow?
01/19/05 22:22:03 [USMLE_Step_1] mick: i guess we're done. ends at 10, so we went over
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