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    Okay guys, So I thought I would post some information about the Mount Vernon rotation in NYC for UMHS students. Since there isnt much information about what the rotation is about.

    So the basics:
    So far only 2 UMHS students have rotated through hospital(however we have done extremely well in our rotation. In fact I had my exit interview with the Chief of Medicine and he said that thus far UMHS students have been some of the best students to ever rotate at the hospital.) We mainly rotate with St. George(they usually make up the majority of the students), Ross, AUA, a couple of PA students, and students from Guadalhara program.

    We generally start our day at 730am in the morning and depending on ur call schedule it can either go to 430pm or 730pm.
    We are split into 3 teams Yellow, Blue and green. And there are three call schedules, Precall( here you take new admission in the ER or direct admissions to the floor btw 730 am to 12 pm.

    Call – Call starts at 12pm and lasts till 730pm ( but u still have to be at the hospital at 730am.)

    Post Call- No new admins…Pretty much you just visit the pts you already have.(generally a very relaxed day)

    We usually have attending come in the morning at 730am to discuss overnight admins and discuss the pts.

    On weds we have grand rounds-Physicians from various hospitals across the east coast give a lecture on a particular subjects. Attending, residents, med students all are present.(Breakfast is provided!!)

    Generally Thursday at 2pm a med student will give presentations(generally last btw 30min to an hour.). Generally med students, residents that are not
    busy, Chief Resident, and Chief of medicine are usually present. The Chief resident typically will pick your topic.( I had 4 chapters from Harrisons to present, as well I did another presentation on research which I was working on)

    Aside from these set dates, we typically will have either guest lectures or drugs rep come in usually once a week(lunch provided).
    Overall this rotation is a very laid back students tend to have allot of down time. Which is excellent for those who want to study. This rotation is a god send for those who wanna study for Step2. BUT that doesn’t mean you won’t get allot of opportunities in this hospital. If you are a proactive students, and build a good repro with your PGY1’s you will get allot of opp. to do procedures and have allot of responsibilities. For example I was typically called for all blood drawns, ABG’s, I conducted a 25 page full neuro exam by myself for a stroke pt. I got to submit orders and submit A/P (part of SOAP) which the resident reviewed and just signed off on. Plus had the opp to go and see surgeries for any of my pts.

    I highly recommend this rotation. Its prefect for a seasoned veteran or a newbie (this was my first rotation)

    The best advice I can give is be proactive and work hard; the Chief of medicine loves students that are proactive; I was allowed to conduct and head an entire research project for myself. I was the primary author and submitted the research paper for publication.

    Plus if you impress the Chief, he will give you a wicked LOR!!

    Hope this was helpful!!

    Good Luck!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iMED View Post
    Okay guys, So I thought I would post some information about the Mount Vernon rotation in NYC for UMHS students. Since there isnt much information about what the rotation is about.

    So the basics:
    So far only 2 UMHS students have rotated through hospital(however we have done extremely well in our rotation. In fact I had my exit interview with the Chief of Medicine and he said that thus far UMHS students have been some of the best students to ever rotate at the hospital.) We mainly rotate with St. George(they usually make up the majority of the students), Ross, AUA, a couple of PA students, and students from Guadalhara program.

    We generally start our day at 730am in the morning and depending on ur call schedule it can either go to 430pm or 730pm.
    We are split into 3 teams Yellow, Blue and green. And there are three call schedules, Precall( here you take new admission in the ER or direct admissions to the floor btw 730 am to 12 pm.

    Call – Call starts at 12pm and lasts till 730pm ( but u still have to be at the hospital at 730am.)

    Post Call- No new admins…Pretty much you just visit the pts you already have.(generally a very relaxed day)

    We usually have attending come in the morning at 730am to discuss overnight admins and discuss the pts.

    On weds we have grand rounds-Physicians from various hospitals across the east coast give a lecture on a particular subjects. Attending, residents, med students all are present.(Breakfast is provided!!)

    Generally Thursday at 2pm a med student will give presentations(generally last btw 30min to an hour.). Generally med students, residents that are not
    busy, Chief Resident, and Chief of medicine are usually present. The Chief resident typically will pick your topic.( I had 4 chapters from Harrisons to present, as well I did another presentation on research which I was working on)

    Aside from these set dates, we typically will have either guest lectures or drugs rep come in usually once a week(lunch provided).
    Overall this rotation is a very laid back students tend to have allot of down time. Which is excellent for those who want to study. This rotation is a god send for those who wanna study for Step2. BUT that doesn’t mean you won’t get allot of opportunities in this hospital. If you are a proactive students, and build a good repro with your PGY1’s you will get allot of opp. to do procedures and have allot of responsibilities. For example I was typically called for all blood drawns, ABG’s, I conducted a 25 page full neuro exam by myself for a stroke pt. I got to submit orders and submit A/P (part of SOAP) which the resident reviewed and just signed off on. Plus had the opp to go and see surgeries for any of my pts.

    I highly recommend this rotation. Its prefect for a seasoned veteran or a newbie (this was my first rotation)

    The best advice I can give is be proactive and work hard; the Chief of medicine loves students that are proactive; I was allowed to conduct and head an entire research project for myself. I was the primary author and submitted the research paper for publication.

    Plus if you impress the Chief, he will give you a wicked LOR!!

    Hope this was helpful!!

    Good Luck!!
    Thank you for the absolutely phenomenal and professsional answer. Exactly the type of information we' re asking for. so now back to Neuro.

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    Nice Post. Congrats on getting the big IM rotation in the bag for you. It sounds like you did great!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iMED View Post
    Okay guys, So I thought I would post some information about the Mount Vernon rotation in NYC for UMHS students. Since there isnt much information about what the rotation is about.

    So the basics:
    So far only 2 UMHS students have rotated through hospital(however we have done extremely well in our rotation. In fact I had my exit interview with the Chief of Medicine and he said that thus far UMHS students have been some of the best students to ever rotate at the hospital.) We mainly rotate with St. George(they usually make up the majority of the students), Ross, AUA, a couple of PA students, and students from Guadalhara program.

    We generally start our day at 730am in the morning and depending on ur call schedule it can either go to 430pm or 730pm.
    We are split into 3 teams Yellow, Blue and green. And there are three call schedules, Precall( here you take new admission in the ER or direct admissions to the floor btw 730 am to 12 pm.

    Call – Call starts at 12pm and lasts till 730pm ( but u still have to be at the hospital at 730am.)

    Post Call- No new admins…Pretty much you just visit the pts you already have.(generally a very relaxed day)

    We usually have attending come in the morning at 730am to discuss overnight admins and discuss the pts.

    On weds we have grand rounds-Physicians from various hospitals across the east coast give a lecture on a particular subjects. Attending, residents, med students all are present.(Breakfast is provided!!)

    Generally Thursday at 2pm a med student will give presentations(generally last btw 30min to an hour.). Generally med students, residents that are not
    busy, Chief Resident, and Chief of medicine are usually present. The Chief resident typically will pick your topic.( I had 4 chapters from Harrisons to present, as well I did another presentation on research which I was working on)

    Aside from these set dates, we typically will have either guest lectures or drugs rep come in usually once a week(lunch provided).
    Overall this rotation is a very laid back students tend to have allot of down time. Which is excellent for those who want to study. This rotation is a god send for those who wanna study for Step2. BUT that doesn’t mean you won’t get allot of opportunities in this hospital. If you are a proactive students, and build a good repro with your PGY1’s you will get allot of opp. to do procedures and have allot of responsibilities. For example I was typically called for all blood drawns, ABG’s, I conducted a 25 page full neuro exam by myself for a stroke pt. I got to submit orders and submit A/P (part of SOAP) which the resident reviewed and just signed off on. Plus had the opp to go and see surgeries for any of my pts.

    I highly recommend this rotation. Its prefect for a seasoned veteran or a newbie (this was my first rotation)

    The best advice I can give is be proactive and work hard; the Chief of medicine loves students that are proactive; I was allowed to conduct and head an entire research project for myself. I was the primary author and submitted the research paper for publication.

    Plus if you impress the Chief, he will give you a wicked LOR!!

    Hope this was helpful!!

    Good Luck!!
    Congrats, IM is a big one to get out of the way. Being a realist, as I am, you must admit that you are another transfer to UMHS from MUA, and just like WSUCougar et al; the products of other more established med schools. Before anyone can rave about the wonderful UMHS students there has to be a graduating MED 1 - 5 class (plus Step 1). When the real UMHS students start rotating. This would prove the quality of the basic science program etc (which I'm sure is good).

    Like I said, I'm just keeping it real. Well done nonetheless in what seems like a good rotation.

    peace...

    PS: I remember reading you transferred back in April/May last year, how come you only started clinicals in April this year? Was there a wait list?
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    There's a difference between "keeping it real" and just simply trying squash any positive thing that gets posted on here (especially if they are MUA transfers).

    Although I am a transfer student.... the 5th semester program had a HUGE impact on how well I was prepared for the Step 1 exam, and more importantly how well I was prepared for Clinicals.

    Whether you are a transfer student, or a student that has been at UMHS from semester 1..... we all represent UMHS, and are products of the school. It sounds like the student above got rave reviews from the Chief due to him/her being proactive, working hard, getting involved in some research, while also being a great person to work with. These are NOT traits that you pick up from "being a product of another school"

    There are 7 students from the inaugural class currently in clinicals, and there DEFINITELY is not a wait in clinicals.
    UMHS Grad
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSUCougar View Post
    There's a difference between "keeping it real" and just simply trying squash any positive thing that gets posted on here (especially if they are MUA transfers).

    Although I am a transfer student.... the 5th semester program had a HUGE impact on how well I was prepared for the Step 1 exam, and more importantly how well I was prepared for Clinicals.

    Whether you are a transfer student, or a student that has been at UMHS from semester 1..... we all represent UMHS, and are products of the school. It sounds like the student above got rave reviews from the Chief due to him/her being proactive, working hard, getting involved in some research, while also being a great person to work with. These are NOT traits that you pick up from "being a product of another school"

    There are 7 students from the inaugural class currently in clinicals, and there DEFINITELY is not a wait in clinicals.
    Obviously the OP has good work ethic, I commend them on that. It will help them get to where they want to go in life. That being said, my comment was logical and realistic. Sometimes the truth is just that...the truth!

    My question to you is: Do you ever have anything bad to say about UMHS? You are like a poster child/cheerleader for the school. This is probably because the admin knows who you are. And don't try to allude I make negative posts here. Check the MUA forum, anybody bored enough can go back and see that I frequently point out the bad and good at MUA, or any school for that matter. In fact, I almost always tell people to go to the BIG 4 if they can. Are you so biased that you are unable to see the wood for the trees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe soap View Post
    Obviously the OP has good work ethic, I commend them on that. It will help them get to where they want to go in life. That being said, my comment was logical and realistic. Sometimes the truth is just that...the truth!

    My question to you is: Do you ever have anything bad to say about UMHS? You are like a poster child/cheerleader for the school. This is probably because the admin knows who you are. And don't try to allude I make negative posts here. Check the MUA forum, anybody bored enough can go back and see that I frequently point out the bad and good at MUA, or any school for that matter. In fact, I almost always tell people to go to the BIG 4 if they can. Are you so biased that you are unable to see the wood for the trees?
    The OP's post had nothing to do with where they did their Basic Sciences... yet you somehow thought that it was imperitive to remind them that they transferred into UMHS, while even inferring that they don't represent UMHS. It was all about giving a summary of his/her experience of the rotation, and that he/she was rewarded with a some compliments by the director, along with a solid letter of rec

    Please... I'm no UMHS poster child. I haven't met anyone from the UMHS Admin, and if I ever was shafted by the school... I'd let it be known, just as I'm sure they would if I ever did the same to UMHS. I'm nearing the end of Med School, and thus far everything has been smooth sailing, and I've had no complaints. Therefore... when a student from another school wants to come on here and try and trash the school/students... I'm going to give my say as well, just as you do on a frequent basis in the MUA forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSUCougar View Post
    There are 7 students from the inaugural class currently in clinicals, and there DEFINITELY is not a wait in clinicals.
    7 students, how many were in the inaugural class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe soap View Post
    Congrats, IM is a big one to get out of the way. Being a realist, as I am, you must admit that you are another transfer to UMHS from MUA, and just like WSUCougar et al; the products of other more established med schools. Before anyone can rave about the wonderful UMHS students there has to be a graduating MED 1 - 5 class (plus Step 1). When the real UMHS students start rotating. This would prove the quality of the basic science program etc (which I'm sure is good).

    Like I said, I'm just keeping it real. Well done nonetheless in what seems like a good rotation.

    peace...

    PS: I remember reading you transferred back in April/May last year, how come you only started clinicals in April this year? Was there a wait list?
    Hey,
    the purpose of this post was to tell about my experience, and about the rotation, which if u search on value Md there is very little info about(last post maybe 2005 somthin like that). I didnt write it to have ppl pat me on the back. there was 2 reasons for talking about the postive comments so forth: 1)to let UMHS students know that so far the 2-3 UMHS students that have rotated through this rotation have done excellent job according to the director of med, and that other UMHS students that rotate through here should also try to keep up the excellent work, which will encourage hospital to take more UMHS students in the future.
    2) To let UMHS students know what they should do in order to get a good mark and a good LOR.

    Aside from that, I have never denied that I am a MUA transfer student nor do I hide that when ppl asked at the hospital. I am proud of my MUA experience and i can honestly say my med 3-5 at MUA were insturmental in passing the Step1 with a great score. In fact of all the students that transferred to UMHS in my class, only MUA students have all passed(first attempt) and are already in rotations.

    That being said, I have never regretted my decision to transfer. As WSU said, the Med 5 program at UMHS is unbelievable in terms of getting students ready for the clinical semester; and without it I might not have done as well as i did. The reason why I started so late was due to a couple of deaths in the family right around my exam time which resulted me delaying my writing of the steps. However, as soon as i passed within 3 weeks I was off to Mount Vernon and unlike the St. George, Ross, or AUA students I rotated with I already have my all my cores scheduled(back to back, and most in hospitals I requested) and are all greenbook.

    Soap you are right that UMHS is not all roses, they clearly have some problems that they need to deal with(citi loans, office organization, better communication with clinical students at times) but from my experience the problems that I have to deal with at UMHS are all relatively minor in my eyes and I can happily live with them.

    peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by iMED View Post
    Hey,
    the purpose of this post was to tell about my experience, and about the rotation, which if u search on value Md there is very little info about(last post maybe 2005 somthin like that). I didnt write it to have ppl pat me on the back. there was 2 reasons for talking about the postive comments so forth: 1)to let UMHS students know that so far the 2-3 UMHS students that have rotated through this rotation have done excellent job according to the director of med, and that other UMHS students that rotate through here should also try to keep up the excellent work, which will encourage hospital to take more UMHS students in the future.
    2) To let UMHS students know what they should do in order to get a good mark and a good LOR.

    Aside from that, I have never denied that I am a MUA transfer student nor do I hide that when ppl asked at the hospital. I am proud of my MUA experience and i can honestly say my med 3-5 at MUA were insturmental in passing the Step1 with a great score. In fact of all the students that transferred to UMHS in my class, only MUA students have all passed(first attempt) and are already in rotations.

    That being said, I have never regretted my decision to transfer. As WSU said, the Med 5 program at UMHS is unbelievable in terms of getting students ready for the clinical semester; and without it I might not have done as well as i did. The reason why I started so late was due to a couple of deaths in the family right around my exam time which resulted me delaying my writing of the steps. However, as soon as i passed within 3 weeks I was off to Mount Vernon and unlike the St. George, Ross, or AUA students I rotated with I already have my all my cores scheduled(back to back, and most in hospitals I requested) and are all greenbook.

    Soap you are right that UMHS is not all roses, they clearly have some problems that they need to deal with(citi loans, office organization, better communication with clinical students at times) but from my experience the problems that I have to deal with at UMHS are all relatively minor in my eyes and I can happily live with them.

    peace
    I am sorry to hear about the loss in your family, my condolences to you and your family. I accept what you say and appreciate your honesty and work ethic. See you on the flipside of clinicals and good luck for residency, you seem like a stand-up guy/gal.

    peace...
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