Thread: Advanced Standing at UHSA

I need information from anyone who has actually been able to get a liscense to practice Medicine after completing an advanced standing program. I know there are folks in residency right now who have done this program. You can contact me by this board or by private message and I will call or e:mail you back.

I would like to know if anyone has been able to get a license to practice anywhere after doing their online program? Thanks!

I am also looking for real live information on this subject.

Perhaps you have seen my posting on sdn.net on the same subject.

I will of course share any information I get on the subject with you, and I currently am trying to contact some real grads from this program.

Of course if you get any leads let me know.

backdoc

Oh by the way, St Kitt's IUHS also offers a similar program as I am sure you are aware.

Originally Posted by sacroiliac

I am also looking for real live information on this subject.

Perhaps you have seen my posting on sdn.net on the same subject.

I will of course share any information I get on the subject with you, and I currently am trying to contact some real grads from this program.

Of course if you get any leads let me know.

backdoc

Oh by the way, St Kitt's IUHS also offers a similar program as I am sure you are aware.

Yes, by all means please post the names and residencies of these folks because to the best of my knowledge, you cannot get a license to practice medicine in any US state after getting advanced standing at any foreign medical school.....and if anybody has information to the contrary, please post teh name and state of a FULLY LICENSED graduate that received advanced standing ( like from podiatry, chiropractic, nursing school) and was granted a license.

please do not list people in residency because you can get a limited educational license to practice medicine, yet still not qualify for full licensure

Pl. see my post of March 14, 2003 "Need more info. on University of Health Sciences, Antigua" in this forum.

The "online" format is more like 70% online and 30% onsite classes for every module ( basic sciences). Clinical rotations can be conducted, like any Caribbean School student at any one of the numerous hospitals.

You pose a good question concerning advanced standing and practicing in a given state after residency completion. I was unable to get the names of former students who have completed their MD from the school, completed a residency, and now practicing medicine in the United States. What you see on their notice board (UHSA) are students presently in their residencies.

Your best resource would be to call up the State Licensure office in several states to see what they say. What really gets me that several of the students are in residency programs (although, they may not have completed UHSA with advanced standing), so obviously, they must have "temporary" licensure from whichever state the residency is offered. Now, if they have a "temporary" licensure, then the process to a permanent license and practice in the same state should not be a issue as far as the residency is completed.

Anyway, let us know if anyone finds out.

Does anybody have experience with the mentors is medicine program at Windsor U?

Is that an advanced standing program?

I have a chiro degree and was considering this program.

Has any one got any answers to these questions about UHSA yet?

PLEASE LET US KNOW
THANKS

Originally Posted by bobcat

Does anybody have experience with the mentors is medicine program at Windsor U?

Is that an advanced standing program?

I have a chiro degree and was considering this program.

Yes it is:

http://windsor.edu/HCP%20Program.htm

WINDSOR UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE ANNOUNCES : THE CAREER COORDINATED PROGRAM http://www.mentorsinmedicine.com/
Windsor University School Of Medicine in conjunction with Mentors in Medicine is offering a unique opportunity for nature and independent minded health professionals. It's now possible to pursue a MD degree while you still work. The medical program is specifically designed for working health care professionals.

This Career Coordinated Program is available, but not limited, to the following professions :

PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT
NURSE PRACTITIONER
PHYSICAL THERAPIST
CHIROPRACTOR
PHARMACIST
OSTEOPATH
PODIATRIST
DENTIST



***** Be extremely careful when attending a program that offers advanced standing, it is not likley you will be licensed by many, if any, state medical boards.

hey all i emailed some grads who were PAs with advanced standing in the uhsa program and got some frighening info.

they all said avoid an "accelerated program" and to try to go a route that most closely mimics a traditional american program. i guess people are having a tough time getting licensed who did the distance learning. they said you will get investigated by licensing boards and residency programs to see if you went this route because it is so frowned upon.

of course this is all hear-say, but it was enough to convince me to look in a different direction.

UHSA M.D. Credentials May Give Patients False Impression

When you see 'M.D.' after your physician's name you expect that person
to be what those letters say, a licensed medical doctor. But according
to the state board that licenses doctors inNevada what you see may not
be what you get. News 3 Investigator Darcy Spears exposes how a state
law written 'by' a dentist, 'for' dentists could allow what some might
call false advertising.

Not long ago, our state law required anyone who called him or herself
a medical doctor to be licensed in Nevada as an M.D. But now, thanks
to one state senator, that's no longer the case for dentists, leaving
what some see as a loophole for those with undocumented degrees.

Take a look at these letters. What does M.D. mean to you?

"Eight years of medical school... 8 to 10 years of medical school if
you're going into specialty."

Karyn Hopkins' father was a dentist and she herself has a nursing
degree. So she knows a little more about the practice of medicine than
your average patient. But there's one thing she has in common with all
patients, what they expect when someone calls himself an M.D.

"They're expecting that he's a licensed doctor;" Which is why she was
so shocked to learn that these letters may not belong after this
doctor's name. Jay Selznick is a board-certified oral surgeon. He's
trained and licensed by the Nevada Dental Board to perform all the
dental and oral surgery procedures that he provides patients in his
care. He doesn't need a medical degree because he's got a D.M.D.,
Doctor of Dental Medicine, which he's licensed under. But his office
buildings, his letterhead, his business cards advertise him as having
two degrees -- a D.M.D. and an M.D. The dental board's attorney says
calling oneself an M.D. gives the impression.

"That someone has obtained a medical degree, and from a reputable
medical institution, and hopefully, I'm sure they also think that that
MD was authorized by some sort of agency or board here in the United
States .

Selznick's M.D. comes from the University of Health Sciences , Antigua
. He wouldn't answer questions about it on camera. It's a degree the
Nevada State Medical Board won't accept for licensure, because
Selznick hasn't completed our state's required level of additional
training -- which is three years of medical residency. There are a
total of five oral surgeons in Nevada who are registered as M.D.S. One
is Jay Selznick. One moved out of state. The other three hold M.D.'s
from Harvard, Columbia , and UCLA, and, unlike Selznick, they all have
dual licensure with both the dental and medical boards.

"If he is not licensed--medically licensed here in the state of Nevada
--how can he put down as a MD? Isn't that fraud?"

It is in the state of Kansas . The law there is what the law here used
to be. In a recent case against an oral surgeon there, who holds the
same degree from the same university as Selznick does, the court ruled
the Kansas dentist could not advertise himself as an M.D. because,
"The use of M.D. presented the false impression to the public that he
had training and a license to practice medicine, and was therefore
misleading," but not in the state of Nevada -- at least not anymore.

"How can they get away with it? Who governs this?"

The State Board of Medical Examiners went after Selznick several years
ago, and then-D.A. Stewart bell even issued him a cease and deceits
regarding advertising his M.D. But as you can see, he didn't stop, and
now, he probably doesn't have to. The board says that's because
Senator Ray Rawson, also a dentist, spearheaded a change in the law,
to say "A dentist who holds a degree as a doctor of medicine, and is
not licensed as a physician, may identify himself as a doctor of
medicine and use the letters M.D., if the dentist clearly identifies
himself as a practitioner of dentistry."

"It's not appropriate for them to use that if they're not licensed to
practice, and so it wouldn't be the kind of thing you'd put up on your
building and give people the impression that you're an M.D. a
practicing M.D."

But the new law doesn't require licensing -- deposit it's author's explanation.

"Could someone come into Nevada with all of the appropriate
residencies and so on and practice in Nevada with that degree? If they
can, then there's not an issue. If they can't, then there's an issue."

The issue seems to be a need for the legislature to re-write the law
to reflect those restrictions. Until then, Selznick and others who may
follow may be in the clear to continue calling themselves M.D's.

"I think that's a misuse of the degree."

That'll be up to the State Board of Dental Examiners, and, ultimately,
the court, to decide, unless the legislature rewrites the law. The
dental board has an open complaint about it, which they'll consider
along with their other pending complaints against Selznick. The
University of Health Sciences Antigua confirmed Selznick did receive
his M.D. from them, but their records indicate he has not completed
the United States Medical Licensing Exam, which is required for
obtaining licensure in the U.S.

Karyn Hopkins, the patient in Darcy's story, is a Medicaid patient
who's suing Dr. Selznick --claiming he pulled more teeth from her
mouth than she agreed to so he could make more money from Medicaid.
Her case spurred additional complaints about the same thing from other
Medicaid patients, which the state is currently investigating.