New Outlook: Is 5th Pathway to Liscensure a deFacto Treaty with Mexico.

I was thinking about the ease with which 5th pathway was "no longer supported' and was struck by a strange idea.

5th pathway to liscensure was started because of students going to school in Mexico and other nations that have social service requirements. It was a way to ease the path back to American practice for these physicians from other nations.

Now this was not the purpose of the 5th pathway, but in fact this is a treaty of sorts between different nations to allow for a commerce in trained professionals.

Here is the punch.

Although the program was not started as part of a treaty it is a defacto treaty between nations. Therefore does the founding body really have the right to disolve this defacto treaty formed on behalf of the US, against Mexico, without diplomatic intervention.

Should Mexico take umbridge at the breaking of this treaty.

Should congress and diplomatic corps have a say in this change of dimplomatic status between these two nations.

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Interesting perspecive. I like the possibility anyway.

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"You do not truly understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother." Albert Einstein

I really hope the best, for the students, not the school. Mexico doesnt care about the treaty, the UAG seems to care very little. In the US, the program and its treaty really is just a minute part of the system. Godd luck

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From one of the speakers during Orientation, "There is nothing wrong with Mexico; it is JUST different"

This is what I would like to do to the "burros" of Megacable....

It was just an idea that got into my head. I think to much sometimes.

But if looked at as a treaty with Mexico, entered into by AMA or not, the US government has a say in it abolishment.

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Wishful thinking.
1. What happened to the talk of 5thpw ?? NO news from any side???

It is mostly sophostry at this point so I decided to put a new philosofuncular twist on it.

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It’s my understanding from reading the Council on Medical Education’s Fifth Pathway report that it was a unilateral US initiative to resolve the extra year issue.

IHMO Mexico is in a better position to solve this issue and should. They’ve been loosing millions in revenue to Caribbean schools, the report states that in the mid-1970s about 4000 to 6000 U.S. citizens were studying medicine outside the U.S. most of them in Mexico, how many now? In addition to the money they’ve also lost out on the benefits that the Mexican community in the U.S. gains from having more U.S. doctor trained in Mexico.

I’ve done some research on the origin of the social service in medicine in Mexico and its roots aren’t only based on a social initiative but nationalist as well. Evident in the speech that Dr. Gustavo Baz Prada commenced to the first group of graduates to take part
1936,

“Tienen ustedes ya seis años de estudio. Lo normal seria que dentro de unos meses recibieran su titulo. En lugar de eso, he venido aquí a pedirles que presten patrióticamente a uno de los experimentos mas singulares que habrá de registrarla historia de la Medicina”

No mater how noble the practice maybe Mexicans shouldn’t expects foreigners to take part in something that has some form oath to Mexico. I’m sure Mexico wouldn’t feel comfortable knowing that Mexicans studying in other countries were asked to take part in something that had nationalist roots. In some countries this kind of programs are alterative to military service.

The school has no answers, no surprise there. If you have the time, which you should, call the AMA and they will tell you what you need to know. It is very simple to find out. Need to make the phone call, it is your future and money on the line. Many students here are afraid to open their mouth and say something negative. BUT, you can find your own answers without the positively biased, inherently restricted and sometimes hopeful/understandable optimism found here. Make the phone calls and dont expect the school to provide information for you. It has been a while dont you think? if there was any concrete positive information out there, it would have been posted a LONG time ago. Good luck

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From one of the speakers during Orientation, "There is nothing wrong with Mexico; it is JUST different"

This is what I would like to do to the "burros" of Megacable....

I have called AMA and they have told me that there no change is to take place. There decision to scrap 5pw is final. I thought they told the same thing in the meeting. Only UAG is thinking that there will be some change. They want to sell a miracle. USMLE, AMA,ACGME and all other authorities are final . I think UAG has to run the next semester so they are selling a false hope. The new students have to know that what they are going for.

By the way, can anybody give a count of how many students are gone so fsar??