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Old 04-14-2008, 11:04 PM
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Heirarchies; Do the exist? Are they real?

The U.S. has some of the best medical schools in the world.
Top Ten in fact.

The problem is that only 10 schools are in that top ten.

What about the worst ten medical schools in the US?

What about the WHOLE Lower 50%.
Good God what are they teaching those students!

I am sorry to say that they are teaching the same thing that all the other schools are teaching. They are passing on medical information for the USMLE. And trying not kill any patients in the process.

To imagine that there is some incremental heirarchy where students from Princeton and Harvard are the best doctors in the nation is silly.
As silly as thinking that all the students from Michigan State University are all awaiting their trials as future Kervorkians

Each doctor is their own person. And a doctor that can pass the board and communicate well with mexican natives will be welcome in many programs in the U.S.

UAG has its place and it is much better than the bottom 10 medical schools in the U.S..
UAG may be better than the 50% level compared to medical schools in the U.S.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:16 PM
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I once won the total admiration of all my fellow dance instructors in a Dance competition.

They immediately put me ahead of them in skill in their minds and hearts.

Here is the funny part.
I didn't dance in the competition

The year before I took a new teacher from a ballet background and took all trophies in the first of what was to become an anual event.

When the competition rolled around again, my partner wanted to compete again. I said no. I had worked it out to sit at the judges table and give away the trophy.

This put me in the position over all competitors and I was thought to be their superior by default

My ex-partner didn't agree and lost with her new partner and furthered my fame. Everyone said that it was me and me alone who made the couple. I was made a trainer for all the dance teachers that I had competed against the year before.

THIS IS A SILLY STORY BUT IT IS WHAT TOP TEN MEDICAL SCHOOLS DO
THEY TILT THEIR COLLECTIVE NOSES AND REFUSE TO EVEN TALK OF COMPARISON
WINNING BY DEFAULT (IF YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO LISTEN)
I KNOW; I WAS A GRAD STUDENT AT A TOP 10 MEDICAL SCHOOL

They used to give me greif about my OU T-shirts and my "humble beginnings." Yet classes started and ended just like here.
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:04 AM
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There's definitely a tilt, a tilt caused by the "invisible hand."
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I remember reading "reports" in magazines that listed the top-10 medical schools. Quickly, I was looking for the criteria by which they ranked the schools. It was very clear that their idea of what made a top-10 school, and my idea wer very different. A student in a top-10 school at the time told me, "They only want students that already know everything so that they do not have to teach them anything [so the teachers could do research, etc])."

I remeber debating someone about if they should buy a certain car. I said it was a good car, they said it was not, based on Consumer Reports magazine. So rather than just look at the stars beside the car models in the magazine, I looked for consistancies, or lack there of. Consumer Reports ranked that year's Chevrolet Corvette as "worse than average" for exterior body rust. The body was fiberglass-reinforced polyester - a substance that does not, and cannot rust. Consumer Reports lost credibility, she bought the car I recommended, and loved it.

Conclusion, do not let someone else tell you what is the best for you. Their best may not be what is best for you. They may also be WRONG

Thus, I agree with your perspective
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:09 AM
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THIS IS A SILLY STORY BUT IT IS WHAT TOP TEN MEDICAL SCHOOLS DO
THEY TILT THEIR COLLECTIVE NOSES AND REFUSE TO EVEN TALK OF COMPARISON
Exactly! Just like UAG except UAG refuses to share USMLE pass rates and admissions statistics.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:23 AM
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I don't see your comparison.

If all that were readily available we know what it would show.

It would show the obvious. Half our class comes from a background of english as a second language. That is enough to alter admission MCAT scores and first pass USMLE scores.

There would be proof of nothing else.

You, especially would like those numbers to show that UAG is substandard.
You should stay out of conversations like this as one who would look sub-substandard for being booted from a substandard school.
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The UAG does demand that students present to them their USMLE scores. This is thus available to the UAG, and the UAG does keep it from the students, as our hexed one states. The UAG admin is less than straight with anyone, and they have a reputation of this - unfortunately for them.

However, like you say, this does not make any difference in each individual student's ability to get the best out of the school. The UAG gives many opportunities, and this, to me, made it my top choice - above the "top-10" schools in the USA. I never rated the UAG on how many students could pass a standardized test in a foreign language, or how big of a research grant it gets. That is not important to me. I based it on what "I" would get out of the experience.

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I don't see your comparison.

If all that were readily available we know what it would show.

It would show the obvious. Half our class comes from a background of english as a second language. That is enough to alter admission MCAT scores and first pass USMLE scores.

There would be proof of nothing else.

You, especially would like those numbers to show that UAG is substandard.
You should stay out of conversations like this as one who would look sub-substandard for being booted from a substandard school.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:54 AM
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I think the US should give a test to all budding physicians

100 simple medical questions. Simple medical questions because we all go to the books for hard ones.

Broken down by languages most spoken in the United States

82 in English
11 in Spanish
1 each in Chinese, French, Russian, German, Vietnamese, Italian and Korean.

Then we could see who is more than 90% prepared for what comes thier way.
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carrb vs uag

from what I know about the carrb schools, its not that their admission standards or students are sup, one of the main differences is many carrb schools force their students to pass the USMLE before after their 5th sem, before hos rotations, for those that do not or fail the comp to many time they are booted out. I do not agree with kicking students out, however , I understand its best for students to get the exam out of the way BEFORE CLINICALS, not after. ANOTHER diff bt many carrb schools and UAG is the material presented in class. UAG prof(most of them) have not seen the USMLE and do not teach board rel material. Another diff is the PR students taking the alt exam to the USMLE, I believe its unfair to the other students, also, it effects data regarding % of UAG students who pass the exam and go on the match, and those who do not !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:40 AM
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Wait Kasha, do you go to school here?

Teachers at UAG; teach, after looking at BRS books. They teach from the same texts used in the U.S. Everyone in the world uses the same Q-banks to prepare for the USMLE. The tests that we get are sometimes from classes that were taught at American Medical schools to prevent translation hassles.
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