Whos fart smells the worse a DO or MD?

Sorry, txcorpsman UAG wins hands down and knees a little shakey there.

Have you ever been acosted by the gaseous remains of a tounge or brain taco before? Remember the refried beans and salsa that go along.
I ordered the mix platter from a local take out place and had taco and enchillada suprise and carne asada along with two pigs feet. The feet looked to be raw and i had no idea what to do with them.

On the lighter side, phych rotations are in line for most people who are defending a personal choice. We lose objectivity when it is our personal choices that are being defended. We should be here for the people who haven't made the choice yet.

If you are driven to help and want to be in an underserved area UAG is going to be a big help. We have been around for over 70 years. You learn all that is needed to practice to our burgeoning spanish speaking population.
College spanish just doesn't cut it.
I have a minor in Italian and had long conversations with a Italian PhD. girl about her cultural thesis while in Venice, and I know admit I wouldn't fell comfortable practicing in Italian. I would wing it if I had to and hope that my spanish carried what my Italian lacked.

If you believe in the Osteopathic ideals there is no other place but DO school. But don't go to DO school with thoughts of being a surgeon or anesthesiologist. Not that a DO cannot go through surgery rotations, it is just not the center of their ethic. Definitely read the DO page before you apply because they will expect you to know all about their philosophy.

If you are avoiding snow the carribean is the place to be. Avoiding hurricanes, well... not so much. (can't think of anything else)

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your comments were addressed to me and therefore i answered your comments.

First line aside, you where making good points, but them you couldn't resist making a zing, could you?

other than the 2 years I spent on the island, i have been well within the system...born here, raised here, schooled here, so forth.

and there is an obvious reason why wychoff and st john's have a preference for DOs...they have DO residencies in place there...just as there are places that have a preference for IMGs over DOs...St. Luke's, Methodist, Maimo..because they have either a history of taking IMGs or have them rotating through their hospitals.

choosing DO over IMG is a personal choice...there are many factors that go into it... from big issues of philsophical differences and family considerations to smaller things like location and preference of the initals.

I debated for a long while before entering med school about which was better or if there was vast difference...and the consensus that i got was that, well, in general there was none...personally i chose IMG over DO, because i really don't believe in OMM, did nlt want to have to take USMLE and COMLEX to qualify for allopathic residencies, adn frankly the DO school that I was accepted to was new and did not want the additional challanges of being a charter class ...

I, too, talked to alot of people BEFORE med school and come from a medical family, but it still doesn't completely prepare you for all the things that lie in wait for you as you go through med school...you may see it soon enough....

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Rokshana, how do you consider that "well within the system." "after two years."

The first two years are not really throw aways, that is your core science curriculum.

That is like saying "after I cheated on the first exam I studied really hard and passed the final on my own."

You were out of the American medical school system for 4 years. Face it.

To say that the last two years were "in the system" is stretching it. To join rotations that are pieced together from several different schools and curriculums is not the system.

The US system is to go to a medical school in the US, a medical school that contains facilities to teach and train physicians to practice medicine. Ross or St. Matthews has never taught a single physician to practice medicine on their own.

The fact that St. Matthews brokered a deal for you to attend a rotation in an American Hospital does not make you part of the system.

Students at UAG can also broker deals to spend two years in American Medical school programs. That does not make them part of the system. It just makes them exchange students for that rotation.

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Well put!

Interesting point. I think the USMLE is the great equalizer, whether you are DO or IMG. Clinical experience is another story. I recently talked to residency director in San Diego and he said that he does not equate a clinical rotation at a teaching hospital with a preceptorship at some random clinic. If an IMG can excel at difficult rotations as well as the USMLE, I would think most directors don't care what school they went to. The same thing goes for DO applicants.

I am a st george's student, not st mathew's

St George's has its own clinical centers and i spent the last two years of my med school education at one of them.

We have our own medical education personnel that schedule all our cores, we are integrated into ACGME residencies for our rotations - ie "teaching hospitals"-(core and electives- just like any mainland med school), st george's has it own preceptors for didactics that are Assistant, Associate, and Full Professors of sgu(so yes, SGU has educated a number of medical students).

Also we have set guidelines and objective set for all rotations, so therefore evey clinical rotation at every different site are set to teach the same things. We have common exams that are administered by SGU staff at each hospital. So for example (while many things are resident and attending specfic) the Clinical center at Maimo in Brooklyn will teach from the same syllabus and course objectives for say internal medicine, that the clinical center at St. Joseph's does.

At my Clinical center, we rotate with other schools, Mt Sinai, UMDNJ, UNE, Kirksville for MD/DO students, and there are PA students from Seton Hall...just like any other hospital used by many US med schools. Are you saying that those students are outside of the US medical system?

The HHC contract made by SGU secures position in all the HHC hospitals (which include Queens Hospital, Kings County, and Bellevue) to be the only Foreign school allowed to have students rotate there. If you dont know- Bellevue is an NYU med school teaching hospital, and Kings Country is one of the main SUNY-Downstate teaching hospitals...

please get your facts straight...while many of the caribbean school do just secure a position at a hospital, SGU has created clinical centers (mainly in the NY/NJ region) that are dedicated to continuity in the clincal education of the medical school-- and these clinical centers are no different than the clinical centers that DO programs have for their students (check out the 3rd/4th year curriculum and placement for Kirksville and UNE) and the practice of having clincal rotations at different hospitals within a region for US schools (both UNC-CH and UVa med school do the same thing, they just keep it within the state).

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1- Majority of students at DO schools don't give a rats **** about OMM. They look at it as a break from normal studying and a sample of PM&R.
2-You don't need to take the USMLE unless you are going Derm, ortho, plastics and want an allopathic spot. They are actually many spots in derm, plastics, ortho that are DO only and just take the comlex. A DO guy recently matched allopathic anesthesia with an average comlex score, no usmle, no research, just average joe that people liked to work with.
3- The DO philosophy is for the most part a bunch of fluff. Every doctor treats the whole person. DOs just like to say they are the best at it because they have OMM as an adjunct. Well, I think its fair to say that only 5% of DOs use OMM in their medical careers.
4- LOL, if a DO residency prefers DO applicants over MD, thats because only DO students are eligible for those spots. That's not the same thing as a IMG getting a residency spot at a hospital where they rotated.

thats kinda my point- most applicants look at DO as a back up or alternative to an MD, because they really don't believe in the DO philosophy- those same people given the opportunity will ususally pick an MD school over a DO school.

and well, there is a debate over on another thread about that issue - but my point was more that St John's will look more favorably at a DO applicant FOR AN ALLOPATHIC residency spot than an IMG, because the hospital ALSO has in place DO residencies there as well (at least they have a Gen Surg one) and are used to DOs...they may not be as exposed to IMGs. The reverse is as true...

and it depends on the program...programs that are not DO friendly will still require the USMLE, and since you don't really know what you may go into coming into med school, you have to think that the chance you have to take both is a realistic possiblity...

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I agree that many look at DO as a back up for stateside MD schools. It's way more than OMM though. DO schools are super expensive.