UAG Statement-5th Pathway Report - Page 21

medicodreamer · #**201** (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:04 PM

I admire in slowly changing (brainwashing) the minds of the students.Going to other universities, all will loose 1 year or 35to 40k. Why don't we convince the management to go to Mexican government to reduce social service for one year for international students?? Anyway we were to spend 1 year in 5pw. So either 5thpathway or 1 year social service. Why are we begging AMA and do not bother Mexican authority??
UAGDOC says that San Antonio office is ready to take calls and answer. WHAT ANSWER?????Have they achieved anything?? Please tell that staff to 1 year without pay check and take an exam after that to work there. Then they will know what kind of wrong things they are selling. The school has disappointed us and put us in bad shape. All other talks do not sell .We are behind even in 5pw and and now 1 more on the name of social service. Please tell the authority that American students are working 3 years with a little payment in residency , that is more than enough social service.

Lucy May · #**202** (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tcatx

Rasputin, i agree with you that the document is probably quite worthless, but that doesnt mean that it shouldnt be publicized. I would be hesitant to bother reading an official transcript from the school.

But, on a positive note, there has been a surge of positivity with the news of social service possibly disappearing for private schools. Then students could do internado @ a 5th pathway site just like they wanted to anyway.

The transcript isn't from the school. I trust the person who went to the meeting and typed it up himself. UAG is being their typical selves though in not releasing, but it's not stopping you from reading it yourself.

5 years 6 years, it gets so long that at some point it doesn't matter. What MATTERS is that none of us signed up for a foreign MD, we signed up to bypass the ECFMG crap for a certificate that would make the process of returning to the US and residency much easier.

rasputindoc · #**203** (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy May

The transcript isn't from the school. I trust the person who went to the meeting and typed it up himself. UAG is being their typical selves though in not releasing, but it's not stopping you from reading it yourself.

5 years 6 years, it gets so long that at some point it doesn't matter. What MATTERS is that none of us signed up for a foreign MD, we signed up to bypass the ECFMG crap for a certificate that would make the process of returning to the US and residency much easier.

I agree. It is out there but I havent read it. Since nobody here has mentioned anything remotely positive about it, I would assume it is just trash just like the AMA mentioned. Tough luck

Lucy May · #**204** (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rasputindoc

I agree. It is out there but I havent read it. Since nobody here has mentioned anything remotely positive about it, I would assume it is just trash just like the AMA mentioned. Tough luck

Nice assumptions. "Just like the AMA mentioned!?" The hell? Seriously...you base all your posts on your bitter attitude toward the situation and nothing else. I find it lazy you wouldn't read it yourself and please tell those in attendance at the meeting that you thought (ohp, no the AMA) thought the meeting was trash.

salto_jorge · #**205** (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 01:31 PM

Who should students, friends and family inform at UAG and its owners for them to lobby the Mexican Government to abolish social service for private Mexican medical schools?

rasputindoc · #**206** (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucy May

Nice assumptions. "Just like the AMA mentioned!?" The hell? Seriously...you base all your posts on your bitter attitude toward the situation and nothing else. I find it lazy you wouldn't read it yourself and please tell those in attendance at the meeting that you thought (ohp, no the AMA) thought the meeting was trash.

Nice assumptions?

you have to be kidding right? I CALLED the AMA lucy! They mentioned the meeting was a mere formality to let the UAG know what they needed to do in order to keep an international program NOT the continuation/grandfathering of the FPP. Isnt this trash? or do you really believe in the grandfathering part of the show? PLease sweety wake up and smell the coffee. I just dont see how the AMA with no financial interest in the UAG will lie to us about the situation. UAG on the other hand, havent really communicated much to us huh? You might find me lazy and bitter but I am not going to read 25 pages of something that I know already what it says......NOTHING. It is so much trash that even the school doesnt think we should read it! Right? unless you know something we dont know, please keep your facts straight, dont be naive, and good luck in your 6 years of mexican education.

vilks · #**207** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 12:24 AM

Although I didn’t graduate from AUG, I find myself in a similar situation, in that I attend a Mexican school and after my year of internship I migrated to Europe taking advantage of my dual citizenship, after becoming license and working for 5 year in EU I came back to America, since I’ve passed step 1 and 2 but have been told by the ECFMG that I still have to complete the year of social service to meet certification requirement.
It hasn’t been easy, but I’m making all arrangements necessary to comply.

But truth I have issues with that requirement, both agaist the ECFMG and the Mexican authorities.

From the ECGMG perspective I don’t see why they enforce the requirement, they claim that is because you must hold an unrestrictive license, truth is that American and most if not all European graduate of Med school have restricted license upon graduation. They still have to complete a residency to be eligible to practice.

IMHO from the Mexican authorities prospective it makes no sense to require foreigners to complete a year of social service given that there isn’t a debt acquire by them. Thrust is that the USA has been outsourcing part of its Medical education via international medical student and will continue to for the foreseeable future giving that some estimate that because of poor planning there is about 30 % shortfall in the amount medical schools to meet the future demands.

The US Government prefers foreign graduates to come from non offshore school that have been created with pure lucrative purpose. Hence, this could be a great source of extra funds for legitimate Mexican school like AUG and my school UNE.

I think the AUG and other Mexican school should lobby the Mexican government to abolish that requirement, truth is there wouldn’t probably as many medical schools in the Caribbean if it wasn’t for the added requirement in Mexico.

medicodreamer · #**208** (**permalink**) 04-26-2008, 12:59 AM

Extremly disappointing. UAGDOC like person try to creat some communication. But the school has decided to speak nothing. Our future is on line. The management is getting their pay checks while they are making us loose our 12 months paycheck.I hope , for god's shake they come with good or bad news, so we know where we stand. Our money, future and families are on like. Will they respect that fact?? or will try to recruit new students ?? Where are our student leaders? Make management speak.

rasputindoc · #**209** (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by medicodreamer

Extremly disappointing. UAGDOC like person try to creat some communication. But the school has decided to speak nothing. Our future is on line. The management is getting their pay checks while they are making us loose our 12 months paycheck.I hope , for god's shake they come with good or bad news, so we know where we stand. Our money, future and families are on like. Will they respect that fact?? or will try to recruit new students ?? Where are our student leaders? Make management speak.

great double post! not because you put it twice means you will double the information we will receive.

doctorr · #**210** (**permalink**) Yesterday, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Karplus

I am up for everyone voicing ideas, but you should have continued to IMED. On the IMED website it states the critea for our diploma.

"A one-year internship, a one-year social service period and a Professional Examination are required for award of the final medical diploma, the Titulo de Medico Cirujano."

When I called ECFMG on the phone, the person I was speaking with looked up the IMED data for our school and read it to me. To repeat myself. According to the ECFMG which relies on IMED, we need to do two years before we get our "real" medical school diploma.

I myself, think that a scheme where 5th pathway acts as your year of internship and your 1st year of medical graduate school acts as your social service year sounds good. But, you need a grad med program to accept you without ECFMG certification for that second year to work.

But Ginger, making a big slingshot out of hair bungies and flinging Gilligan off the island is not going to work. No matter how much the professor thinks about it.

It worked my sarcastic friend. It worked....

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