UAG Statement-5th Pathway Report - Page 12

eastern2western · #**111** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by uagdoc

There is something you can do; Learn your basic sciences and get a good score in the USMLE. Worst would be if the school had closed and taken your money with them. Being frustrated with this situation will take time away from studying and putting all your energy in what you went down there for, study medicine.

I am just repeating what dr house told the freshmen class before the vacation and he was directly on the target. Now, we all just have to waite and see what happens next. If other departments, such as residency and licensinng boards, decide to follow ama, then I better start learning my spanish little faster because trying to learn to read, write and speak college level spanish in two years (while the local citizens have 18 years to do it) requires a lot of work.

eastern2western · #**112** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by uagdoc

There is something you can do; Learn your basic sciences and get a good score in the USMLE. Worst would be if the school had closed and taken your money with them. Being frustrated with this situation will take time away from studying and putting all your energy in what you went down there for, study medicine.

it is very possible that you have not been in uag for a while and you have no clue about who dr house is. Dr rich house, dr hard disk rich house. current students probably who I am referring to.

smtx · #**113** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 11:33 PM

This is posted on the FSMB web site. This is the board that determines who is eligible to take the USMLE. It looks like they are not going to allow 5th pathway graduates to sit for the USMLE part 3 after Dec. 2009.

• USMLE Statement on the Fifth Pathway Program and Step 3 Eligibility

Currently, for international medical graduates who wish to take USMLE Step 3, the USMLE program accepts either a valid Standard ECFMG Certificate or a valid Fifth Pathway certificate for purposes of meeting Step 3 eligibility requirements. In November 2007, the American Medical Association (AMA) determined that it would withdraw its support of the Fifth Pathway program. Per the AMA, the last Fifth Pathway program class to be supported will be the January 2009 entering class, which will be supported until its completion in December 2009.

The governing committee of the USMLE program and the USMLE parent organizations (the Federation of State Medical Boards and the National Board of Medical Examiners) have determined that the USMLE program will cease acceptance of Fifth Pathway certificates for the purpose of meeting Step 3 eligibility requirements. The effective date for this policy change will be reviewed by USMLE governance over the next few months. It is anticipated that, consistent with the action taken by the AMA, USMLE will not accept Fifth Pathway certificates issued after December 31, 2009.

For valid Fifth Pathway certificates issued through December 31, 2009, the USMLE program has not yet determined whether they will be accepted indefinitely for purposes of meeting Step 3 eligibility criteria or whether a cut-off date will be imposed. The USMLE program will work closely with the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) and the AMA in an effort to ensure that policies relating to Fifth Pathway certificates issued through December 31, 2009 are consistent among these organizations.

Individuals holding Fifth Pathway certificates that are not accepted by the USMLE program for purposes of meeting Step 3 eligibility will be required to obtain ECFMG certification in order to be eligible for Step 3.

Information and updates about the Fifth Pathway program and USMLE will be posted to the website USMLE.

eastern2western · #**114** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smtx

This is posted on the FSMB web site. This is the board that determines who is eligible to take the USMLE. It looks like they are not going to allow 5th pathway graduates to sit for the USMLE part 3 after Dec. 2009.

• USMLE Statement on the Fifth Pathway Program and Step 3 Eligibility

Currently, for international medical graduates who wish to take USMLE Step 3, the USMLE program accepts either a valid Standard ECFMG Certificate or a valid Fifth Pathway certificate for purposes of meeting Step 3 eligibility requirements. In November 2007, the American Medical Association (AMA) determined that it would withdraw its support of the Fifth Pathway program. Per the AMA, the last Fifth Pathway program class to be supported will be the January 2009 entering class, which will be supported until its completion in December 2009.

The governing committee of the USMLE program and the USMLE parent organizations (the Federation of State Medical Boards and the National Board of Medical Examiners) have determined that the USMLE program will cease acceptance of Fifth Pathway certificates for the purpose of meeting Step 3 eligibility requirements. The effective date for this policy change will be reviewed by USMLE governance over the next few months. It is anticipated that, consistent with the action taken by the AMA, USMLE will not accept Fifth Pathway certificates issued after December 31, 2009.

For valid Fifth Pathway certificates issued through December 31, 2009, the USMLE program has not yet determined whether they will be accepted indefinitely for purposes of meeting Step 3 eligibility criteria or whether a cut-off date will be imposed. The USMLE program will work closely with the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) and the AMA in an effort to ensure that policies relating to Fifth Pathway certificates issued through December 31, 2009 are consistent among these organizations.

Individuals holding Fifth Pathway certificates that are not accepted by the USMLE program for purposes of meeting Step 3 eligibility will be required to obtain ECFMG certification in order to be eligible for Step 3.

Information and updates about the Fifth Pathway program and USMLE will be posted to the website USMLE.

this is a definite first nail to the coffice, all we need is acgme and state licensing boards' rejections and we are basically looking at the end of uag's international programs. Goodbye mexico, goodbye taco al pastor, good bye coke in a glass bottle, good bye burritas, giante, superama, san juan del dios, pirated cds, movies, video games, sushi in walmart, people rolling on glasses, kids selling chicelets, 16 peso per kilo lavenderia and hello to the caribbeans.

kasha · #**115** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 11:51 PM

another option, although not likely, is for UAG to offer incentives for students to stay and not transfer, such as tuition reduction also the 6th year should be free considering many did not sign up for this program to begin with.. They could do this, I mean its in their power if they so choose, less tuition is better then another school getting your current students, thats what i would do if I owned the school. I'm also wondering how long it would take UAG to contact the mex government and attempt to become a 4 yr program

uagdoc · #**116** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 11:51 PM

You are right. I have no idea who dr. House is. Don't get me wrong, I am just giving you a piece of advice.

I am not mad.
It can get very scary to be down there spending thousands of dollars with an uncertain future. The USMLE statement above is consistent to what the AMA has already done. The only hope is ECFMG which makes too munch sense for them to take sponsorship of the program. They keep records of students from the smallest and farthest places around the world and they can't keep records of their own citizens.

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Originally Posted by eastern2western

it is very possible that you have not been in uag for a while and you have no clue about who dr house is. Dr rich house, dr hard disk rich house. current students probably who I am referring to.

eastern2western · #**117** (**permalink**) 03-28-2008, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uagdoc

You are right. I have no idea who dr. House is. Don't get me wrong, I am just giving you a piece of advice.

I am not mad.
It can get very scary to be down there spending thousands of dollars with an uncertain future. The USMLE statement above is consistent to what the AMA has already done. The only hope is ECFMG which makes too munch sense for them to take sponsorship of the program. They keep records of students from the smallest and farthest places around the world and they can't keep records of their own citizens.

suddenly 5th pathway is turning into the middle-abandoned child. the oldest kids (american-med school students) have already gotten all the love and care and the youngest kids (caribbean schools) are getting a lot of love because they are still consider mom's property (us-virgin islands). However, the middle children (5th pathway) are not getting any love because they all went to a foreign country (mexico) and no body wants them because it is too much trouble to keep up their records (after so man years).

eastern2western · #**118** (**permalink**) 03-28-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kasha

another option, although not likely, is for UAG to offer incentives for students to stay and not transfer, such as tuition reduction also the 6th year should be free considering many did not sign up for this program to begin with.. They could do this, I mean its in their power if they so choose, less tuition is better then another school getting your current students, thats what i would do if I owned the school. I'm also wondering how long it would take UAG to contact the mex government and attempt to become a 4 yr program

However, u do not run the school and what you are talking about takes a long time to accomplish.

Karplus · #**119** (**permalink**) 03-28-2008, 12:21 AM

ECFMG requires a titulo before you can apply to enter the Match. But you do not have to take step three.

Step three is where you get your liscence to practice.

I do not think this precludes us from doing two years in NEW York; One Fifth Pathway-like and one social service like, and then taking our titulo test in Mexico.

In this situation we can apply to sit for step three as ECFMG with our titulo. If the New York board of regents are very nice they may still issue us a MD degree.

It is getting more confusing but no more dire.

eastern2western · #**120** (**permalink**) 03-28-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Karplus

ECFMG requires a titulo before you can apply to enter the Match. But you do not have to take step three.

Step three is where you get your liscence to practice.

I do not think this precludes us from doing two years in NEW York; One Fifth Pathway-like and one social service like, and then taking our titulo test in Mexico.

In this situation we can apply to sit for step three as ECFMG with our titulo. If the New York board of regents are very nice they may still issue us a MD degree.

It is getting more confusing but no more dire.

wow, that clears things up a lot

or I should just do the 6 year mexican route and not having to worry about paying that whole 5th path way slave tuition.

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