AMA CME decision on Discontinuing Support of Fifth Pathway - Page 4

cpt.ricard · #31 (**permalink**) 01-06-2008, 11:42 PM

Big thanks to Dr_M for her expert detective work tonight. Here's the post she referenced: http://www.valuemd.com/universidad-a...tml#post682074

In other news, stay tuned to see what happens - I will bet at least one person will bring it up in the new year either from first semester or second semester. PLEASE write on the forum what the official reply is.

Dr_M · #32 (**permalink**) 01-06-2008, 11:46 PM

I had just located that post myself...so I am glad you posted the link. As I said, I will do a bit more digging tomorrow...but whew, I feel better already!

eastern2western · #33 (**permalink**) 01-06-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr_M

I had just located that post myself...so I am glad you posted the link. As I said, I will do a bit more digging tomorrow...but whew, I feel better already!

AM I analyzing that ama document little too much. One of the main point from the article is that fmgs now can only use the efcmg route to enter residency and the 5th pathway is no longer available as an option. How can ama have nothing to do with 5th pathway when the program itself is actually sponsored by ama. I am not sure how valid actg is, but the document has clearly stated that ama has decided to eliminate the 5th pathway program and efcmg is the only route for fmgs to apply into residency.

TexasStudent · #34 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eastern2western

AM I analyzing that ama document little too much. One of the main point from the article is that fmgs now can only use the efcmg route to enter residency and the 5th pathway is no longer available as an option. How can ama have nothing to do with 5th pathway when the program itself is actually sponsored by ama. I am not sure how valid actg is, but the document has clearly stated that ama has decided to eliminate the 5th pathway program and efcmg is the only route for fmgs to apply into residency.

You are right, it clearly states that Fifth Pathway is no longer an option to obtain residency.

eastern2western · #35 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cpt.ricard

Big thanks to Dr_M for her expert detective work tonight. Here's the post she referenced: http://www.valuemd.com/universidad-a...tml#post682074

In other news, stay tuned to see what happens - I will bet at least one person will bring it up in the new year either from first semester or second semester. PLEASE write on the forum what the official reply is.

Lets just assume that 5th pathway is not governed by ama, then I am sure that ama controls all of the residency programs and one of the main point in the articl specifically states that all fmgs must enter residency via efcmg and 5th pathway is no longer available as an option.

rasputindoc · #36 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:06 AM

acgt actually called the AMA and 5th pathway office at that moment so I think is very valid. This a great way to start caos. I really dont think the UAG can afford to lose so much money involved here. I am sure they will receive many calls tomorrow and many students cancelling their entrance to the program if this has some validity at all.

eastern2western · #37 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rasputindoc

acgt actually called the AMA and 5th pathway office at that moment so I think is very valid. This a great way to start caos. I really dont think the UAG can afford to lose so much money involved here. I am sure they will receive many calls tomorrow and many students cancelling their entrance to the program if this has some validity at all.

well, the article is directly pulled from ama website and the main point in the article basically states fmgs can now only enter residency via efcmg. In addition, the article also stated that students who are hoping to use 5th pathway to enter residency should now seek alternative routes such as efcmg or schools that give md degrees after 4 years of medical school (caribbean).

TexasStudent · #38 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by eastern2western

AM I analyzing that ama document little too much. One of the main point from the article is that fmgs now can only use the efcmg route to enter residency and the 5th pathway is no longer available as an option. How can ama have nothing to do with 5th pathway when the program itself is actually sponsored by ama. I am not sure how valid actg is, but the document has clearly stated that ama has decided to eliminate the 5th pathway program and efcmg is the only route for fmgs to apply into residency.

Here it is in black and white:

"After consideration of various options, review of the above correspondence and thorough discussion, the AMA Council on Medical Education voted unanimously that as of July 1, 2009, the Council will no longer support the Fifth Pathway as a mechanism for eligibility to enter the first year of ACGME-accredited graduate medical education. Graduates of all foreign medical schools must seek certification by the ECFMG. The AMA will continue to maintain records of former graduates of Fifth Pathway programs, but will cease to add records of individuals completing a year of supervised clinical education at an LCME-accredited medical school in the U.S. after
July 1, 2009.

This decision provides adequate notice to U.S. students enrolled in foreign medical schools who would consider applying for a position in a Fifth Pathway program to modify their plans for entry into ACGME-accredited residency training. Attendance at a foreign medical school in a country that requires a fifth year of internship/community service before awarding the medical degree did not guarantee acceptance into a Fifth Pathway program. Those individuals who did not gain admission were required to complete the fifth year and then seek certification by the ECFMG."

"Discontinuing the Fifth Pathway program would require that all students complete the fifth year and be awarded the MD degree or transfer to a medical school that awards the MD degree after four years of training."

If you guys did read the entire document, I suggest you do. The quotes above came from the end of the document.

Keep in mind that this was not released until about 6 weeks, so it is understable if many had not heard about it yet.

eastern2western · #39 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:16 AM

guys, I trully hope this is not true. However, the source is directly from ama website and I think the only possibility that ama will change its mind is when the lawyers get involve.

TexasStudent · #40 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rasputindoc

acgt actually called the AMA and 5th pathway office at that moment so I think is very valid. This a great way to start caos. I really dont think the UAG can afford to lose so much money involved here. I am sure they will receive many calls tomorrow and many students cancelling their entrance to the program if this has some validity at all.

First, ACTG's response predates this ruling. Second, the person at NYMC is not necessarily lying, even if they knew of the AMA's decision because, as the ruling states, the three remaining colleges may still wish to have their programs.

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