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Hmm...obviously if you are not happy about studying medicine at UAG for one reason or another then perhaps you should DROP OUT. Sure it is fine to examine the "two sides" of attending UAG but i dont think you have to get all offensive and bash your school.
No one said medical school was going to be easy...of course you have to study your butt off to get to the top of your class. At this point, failure is not an option.     
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06-28-2006, 12:35 AM
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A student would have to take a heavy dose of crack to have a love-love relationship with UAG, or any other medical school. Most of us have a love-hate relationship with it in that is has both good and bad issues. The unique thing about UAG is that the bad is different from the bad in other med schools, and the good is in some ways better than other med schools. Most of us have legitimate complaints about here, but we really like UAG most of the time. Of course, there is the hate-hate perspective, which may be justified based on personal experience, but nevertheless many of them will transfer and will have at least have used UAG as a foot in the door. You also have those that hate UAG, and no one else wants them... To them, we can only say, "Welcome to Hell"
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06-28-2006, 02:20 AM
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 Seems like all the stupidity got to you too!! You summarized really nice but they will use "transfer out" rather than "drop out".Last edited by cabrillo; 06-28-2006 at 02:40 PM.
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06-28-2006, 10:08 AM
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USMLE 1 Pass Rate
This is my first post after following ValueMed for several months. "Newbie35" is new to UAG in August 2006.
I am concerned about the USMLE pass rate document. The 36 per cent first time pass rate is astonishing and discouraging. This "Laloblum" faculty member is wrong about pass rates for schools being confidential. Grades to individuals are confidential. And I know of one school that publishes its official overall results. The document looks very similar to one that I saw in the Student Handbook from the UTMB Galveston (Unversity of Texas Medical Branch Galveston)---including the trademark and registered symbols, and even the phrasing of the labels on the deviation chart. As I understand it the document is sent to the school administration not to students. By the way, UTMB's 2005 USMLE 1 first time pass rate is 94%. My sister starts her fourth year there. Can't we simply ask the UAG adminstration to post their copy of this document, or at the very least show it to some of the student leaders and end this debate. And when is "Laloblum" going to post his reply from the NBME/USMLE. It is going on two weeks now since he said he emailed his complaint to them. And I must say, your postings seem to attack one another as individuals rather than the arguments/opinions offerred. To me, this reflects poorly on yourselves and the school. Read some of the other VAlueMD sites and see what I mean. And finally on that comment about med schools being competitive...there is constructive competition/cooperation and destructive competition...and unfortunately I am sensing more of the later from the postings in many of these threads. Big Joe from Texas
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06-28-2006, 01:22 PM
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Hello Big Joe,
First, Laloblum is in Texas starting his residency, and may be very busy. He just moved there from Mexico, so give him some time. As for the pass rates, I do not know. I do not know if they actually are available, if UAG is hiding them, or if it falls under the classification of a UAG's lack of communication (for which they are infamous). I would like more information, too. However, it is not that critical to me. UAG is a genuine medical school despite its faults. I can also tell you that we have a few students that will not become doctors, as well as some that will, but will not be taking the USMLE through UAG. Some transfer to Ross (and a few other schools) before taking the USMLE. Some will go to Puerto Rico regardless of how poorly they do on the USMLE (many of the same ones that performed poorly on the MCAT due to language will also do poorly on the USMLE for the same reason). In essence, even if a real USMLE percent was posted, it would be difficult to interpret so it accurately reflected UAG. The most important factor regarding coming here and succeeding is not the school's stats, but the student's aptitude and flexibility to acclimate to Mexico, and to tolerate some of the B.S. that is part of UAG. UAG is a legit school, and it is a good and unique opportunity. If you have what it takes to be a doctor at any other school, you can succeed here, too. Quote:
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06-28-2006, 02:07 PM
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06-28-2006, 03:08 PM
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. I always speak for myself and not for UAG so my comments are a reflexion of ME and what I think/view on a particular position. Some people like them, some dont like them .....that is out of my control so it doesnt bothered me. I have never seen a foreign school ( caribbean or other) posting USMLE passing results. Are the scores good for any of them? I really doubt it. Otherwise, they would be posted all over the internet and it would be one of their most important "sales catch"....right? so what are we trying to say/infer here? is UAG a bad school because they dont post its USMLE scores? I doubt it. UAG has been established longer than any other foreign medical school, has it own hospitals, 5th pathway and offers alternative way in case you are "not up to par" which is the latino program that includes another way to enter the US not through 5th pathway.
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06-28-2006, 06:07 PM
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Short of personally undertaking the task ourselves, I do not know. It seems like they either do not realize the importance of communication, or do not care. They have the worst lack of communication of any school I know, and the sad thing is that it makes the school look worse than it is to new students. The lack of communication I see, as a student, is here in Mexico. However, what you may be referencing is from the admissions office, which actually was very good.
I think something happened with new people there and it got worse in the USA office now. When I was seeking information on the school, the San Antonio office was close to perfect. They were always there to answer any questions, were on top of things, sent nice cards to interested students, etc. I had a perfect experience with them. But now, I have heard it is not that way. It may just be a lack of experience by some new people. I have had a few new students write to me, personally, with questions because they did not get a response from the admissions office, and have heard many complaints lately. When I ask them who their advisor is, none of them have the same one I had, so I assume she is not there anymore. The communication issue here in MX is not likely to change unless the Virgin Mary, herself tells them to communicate better. However, there may be hope for the admissions office because they really were very good, and may just be going through some new people working there. Quote:
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Yeah...there have been some new, younger people joining the UAG San Antonio office within the last year. Im sure these individuals are starting to learn how the office works first before they become comfortable enough to take charge.
With regards to the "communication" topic, how about the part that NASA plays in the situation? Do they attempt to keep students informed of things going on with administration or events? What do you think of NASA in general, too?
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06-28-2006, 08:08 PM
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Nasa
When I first came here and saw that I had to pay a NASA fee, I was not very enthused because it looked like just another waste of money. We had something like this in undergrad as an "infrastructure" fee that we paid, for something from which most of us never benefited.
However, I can tell you now, NASA is a VERY valuable part of UAG. NASA does what it can through its role of working with the officers. However, much of the communication simply does not exist from the administration for them to relay, nor would it be easy for them because it is an office of two people that does many other things. NASA is very valuable because they maintain a helpful interface with much of the school by answering many questions students have, especially for English speakers. Most of the departments here do not speak English well (financial aid, immigration, etc), so to have a department that you can visit and simply ask for help, and receive an intelligent, correct answer in good English (or Spanish) is vital. NASA is also the department that organizes group functions such as the "Welcome Picnic" where you can buy other students' old books and items, the class dinner, dance function, etc. NASA is an office that takes pride in what it does, and definitely increases moral and presentation of the school by the professional planning and class of the functions it arranges. If anything, I wish that NASA had more power to intervene in issues at UAG because I think they could do a very good job at resolving some of the issues, but they do not have much authoritative power. Quote:
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