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    Medical schools in england ?

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    So I've been looking into medical schools all around including poland, and the caribbean, and i was wondering if anyone had any input on any medical schools in england particularly? could someone please name a few of the medical colleges in england that offer the 6 year med program (because that is what i'm interested in)? are these good colleges to consider, if i plan on coming back to the states after completing college?

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    By England, do you mean the UK in general? I do not know any grads from England, but there are a number of 6-year programs open to foreign students in Ireland. I have met a few of their grads (specifically RCSI) and they were pleased with their education. The Irish programs are competitive and well-respected (as well as quite expensive). Do a search on this site for programs in Ireland like RCSI, Trinity College, UC Cork, etc. There is an application clearinghouse in the US for all of the Irish programs, as well.

    See: The Atlantic Bridge Program: US and Canadian students studying medicine, dentistry, and veterinary medicine in Ireland
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    Hi skkalkat92,

    Following on from what devildoc8404 said, some of those big Irish names are well respected, and used to dealing with Americans and the issues around fees etc.

    Back to UK medical schools, it depends what you are looking for...

    For the purposes of getting back to the US after the course, as far as I can see, you can get a degree from MickeyMouse university, as long as the qualification is recognised by the American boards (which is the case for the British and Irish degrees). Reputation doesn't go anywhere. What does go a *long* way is your USMLE scores when you want to head back to the US.

    American med students may well tell you that "my college doesn't teach to the boards, and I'm having to do a lot of revision"... but this really is the case if you come to a British med school. The administrative staff may be familiar with certifying that you are a student and some of the doctors will know what the boards are, know that they are "hard"..... but as for what is *in* the exam, this is a foreign concept (excuse the pun). At least in the US, you will have your friends all studying with you -- not so in the UK.

    You've really got to weigh up your motivation on coming here, as you'll be emigrating for 5 years (maybe 6). This is the same for Irish colleges, although at the big ones, there may be a higher proportion of American students due to their attractive reputation. Oh yeah, if you come to the UK and you have any kind of American accent, you better get used to being asked "what are you doing here?" on a *daily* basis. Administrators, professors, patients, fellow students, people in the street.... it can get pretty tiresome!

    Now, if you have some really good reason for wanting to come here, don't let me put you off. You'll get a good education and a guaranteed job for at least one year (probably 2 now) in the UK. But the costs of getting this are high, not just financially.

    I'd be really interested in hearing your story behind the initial question

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpiritOfTruth View Post
    You'll get a good education and a guaranteed job for at least one year (probably 2 now) in the UK.
    There will be no gurantee of a job in the UK at the end of it, regardless if you went to a UK school if you are not an EU citizen; in fact, quite the opposite.

    On another note. The UK does have 6 year degrees which are relatively new but, these are not the same as the 6 year degrees in Central and Eastern Europe.(Don't know about the Irish ones.) They are aimed at people who did not study Chemistry and Biology at A-level and need a years preparation before entering on the standard 5 year course. You still need top grades though in what ever subjects you did take. Probably not as high as your EU counterparts though as you are paying a lot of money in tuition.

    Oh.. and make sure you check if the school is recognised by the state you want to practise in as believe it or not, quite a few are not recognised by California as they have never applied for recognition. Cambridge I believe is one such school!!

    I would have thought that you would be much better off going to a school that prepares you for the American exams like St Georges in the Carrib, as if school reputation honestly doesn't matter to the state licensing boards you are just going to waste a fortune on living costs and tuition. Not to mention the increase in stress having to study for the USMLEs at the same time as the UK's exams.

    Personally.. I would go with the UK any day of the week lol
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    Although it's getting a little OT, your first two years of medicine in the UK on a student visa, would be covered. The system for getting these first jobs (F1 and F2) are done via the UKFPO website. Perhaps I was being a little over the top with the claim that the jobs were "guaranteed", but if you have a look at the numbers on the UKFPO website, most people get to practice medicine in the region of the country that they want. Very few people would be left without a job at the end of the process.

    I would add that Registrar positions are a different story, with people not getting jobs, but this is only after the first two years.

    I'd still like to hear your story behind the original question, and emphasise that you'd be better off studying medicine in the country you'd like to finally work in.

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    why is 5 or 6 years? Is this because everything must be done in the Uk unlike carribean schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaBdoc25 View Post
    why is 5 or 6 years? Is this because everything must be done in the Uk unlike carribean schools.
    Not quite sure what you mean here. If you mean why are medical degrees in the UK 5 years long instead of 4 like the states; it it because medical programmes in the UK are undergraduate degrees. So you enter them straight after High school.

    There are an increasing number of 4 year graduate programmes about but, they are incredibly difficult to get into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpiritOfTruth View Post
    Oh yeah, if you come to the UK and you have any kind of American accent, you better get used to being asked "what are you doing here?" on a *daily* basis. Administrators, professors, patients, fellow students, people in the street.... it can get pretty tiresome!
    I am a British medical student in my second year at a UK medical school, and being a couple of hundred miles away from home, with somewhat of a broad accent, I am often asked what region I am from; there is no need to make that out to be such a significant thing! Its just a case of curiosity.

    As for graduate entry programmes, competition for places is fierce, with some 30+ applications per seat.

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    Btw BTS, how are you finding college?

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