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    Hello, Ireland

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    Hi, I just wanted to introduce myself, as this is my 2nd post here. I'm from the US, I'm currently a surgical first assistant, and I will be applying to UCD and RCSI in Ireland this coming application season. I was just curious as to whether anyone else will be applying through the ABP.

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    Hi, I'm also interested in applying to Irish schools. They just updated the application request form for Fall 2007 entry...good luck!

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    Ireland is quite expensive in terms of tuition fee...

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    Hi patentpending - I hope you got your spot in Ireland!

    If you are coming to RCSI and are interested in surgery (I'm guessing, based on your past experience), be sure to join the Surgical Society at our College!


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    Trinity anyone?

    I'm applying to RCSI and Trinity College in Dublin. I really want to be accepted to Trinity, but am unsure of the application process and what the stats are. Does anyone know what type of US GPA, or special things admissions committees look for? How is Trinity compared to RCSI in their residency placement in the USA or Ireland, maybe even Belfast????

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    Appling to Irish scdools

    the Irish schools have a wonderful and highly regarded name in Canada and the US,...................................many doctors who have studied at these Irish schools have gone on to become porfessors in medicine and surgery at leading centers like the Mayo clinic, John Hopkins, Harvard med school, and so on................
    one irish med school RCSI has opened a new school in Bahrain,............and currently there are US and Canadian students studying there,..................the website is rcsi-mub.com,................
    its another irish med school option,
    ok,
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    Quote Originally Posted by finalpath View Post
    one irish med school RCSI has opened a new school in Bahrain,............and currently there are US and Canadian students studying there,..................the website is rcsi-mub.com,................
    its another irish med school option,
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    This is not an "Irish" medical school in any sense of the term. The school is chartered in Bahrain, not Ireland.

    NB There exists a similar situation in Qatar as well. Weill Cornell in Qatar is not considered a US school either, as it is chartered in Qatar.

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    Chartered in Bahrain yes, but degree granted by RCSI as an institution.

    It may be chartered in Bahrain, but the MD degree given by the university is granted by the Royal college of Surgeons in Ireland,
    up until the early 1980's, RCSI college issued there own medical degrees in there own right, these were are Licencies ie. LRCSI and LRCPI. Then it became a member of the National University of IRELAND, and the Licencies became an addtion to the NUI, MB Bch BAO Degree, the NUI degree is awarded only to the RCSI college in dublin,

    so in Bahrain even though the college is chartered there, students will recieve the MD degree granted by the University through RCSI dublin, in addtion the LRCSI and LRCPI licencies will be granted. The degree awarded by RCSI-MUB is not the NUI (National UNiversity Degree) that is awarded by RCSI dublin, its an MD degree awarded by RCSI as a institution itself.

    The one exception to this chartered situation, as to which country the college is chartered in is, Penang medical College. As the Malaysian students do at twinning programme,..................first part pre-clinical in dublin and the clinicals completed in penang at this college jointly run by RCSI and UCD dublin. Students who graduate from the PMC college receive the NUI degree as well as the LRCSI and LRCPI Licencies.

    So the difference is that PMC degree ia a NUI degree and the RCSI-MUB degree is issued through the RCSI as an institution.

    ok, finalpath
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    Quote Originally Posted by finalpath View Post
    It may be chartered in Bahrain, but the MD degree given by the university is granted by the Royal college of Surgeons in Ireland,
    That does not make it an Irish degree. The school is listed in IMED (and presumably by the WHO, though their site was down last I checked) as chartered in Bahrain, not Ireland. That is all that counts.

    I don't have the energy or the time to go through the legal arguments regarding charter (I'd refer you to the St. Christopher's forum for literally hundreds of posts), but I can assure you that no one will believe that the graduate has an Irish degree. It will be seen as what it is -- a degree from a money making institution in the Gulf, despite denials by you or others.

    Put in another way, if a grad of this school applies for a residency in the US, their ERAS application will clearly list the location of the school as Bahrain, not Ireland.

    Regarding registration in Europe, I haven't the time to look up the details.

    I also don't have the time to debate twinning programs, though I can assure you that they are poorly recognized in the US. Witness AUA's attempt to do an end-run around California's requirements with their twinning program with KMC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentpending View Post
    Hi, I just wanted to introduce myself, as this is my 2nd post here. I'm from the US, I'm currently a surgical first assistant, and I will be applying to UCD and RCSI in Ireland this coming application season. I was just curious as to whether anyone else will be applying through the ABP.
    Irish medical schools are very nice and quality is high. But tuition fees and living expense is very high esp RCSI. It is nearly euro 40000 per annum.
    Another thing is you do not get internship unless you are an EU citizen and you will have to find internship position by yourself at other countries.

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