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    JohnI is offline Member 515 points
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    Another diploma mill?

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    Can Texila administration explain this article? https://www.guyanaguardian.com/us-de...ot-recognized/

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    JohnI

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    Sad!

    There is a lot of confusion about the acceptability and validity of higher education in general. In the USA, academic institutions are accredited either "regionally" or "nationally". When researching the accreditation status of a U.S. school, use the The Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) database: LINK: User Agreement

    When it comes to medical schools, The World Health Organization (WHO) DOES NOT ACCREDIT Medical schools!!!!! The WHO used to list medical schools but does not do that anymore. So any school that says it is accredited by WHO is full of it! "The World Health Organization’s World Directory of Medical Schools is no longer incorporated in the Avicenna Directory, but has been transferred to the new World Directory of Medical Schools. " http://www.who.int/hrh/wdms/en/

    The country that the medical school operates in grants medical school approval. These schools are now listed in the World Directory of Medical School's website sponsored by the World Federation for Medical Education (WFME ) and the Foundation for Advancement of International Medical Education and Research LINK: (FAIMER). https://search.wdoms.org/

    Perhaps graduates are eligible to apply for a license within the hosting country but that may or may not be the case simply because the school is often organized as a business....... no guarantees! Bottom line, before enrolling and plunking down tens of thousands of dollars, DO YOUR RESEARCH!

    Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with any school or government!
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    Texila is a fraud and is targeting mainly Nigerians and Indians. Another school that is highly suspicious and seems to be targeting mostly Indians is American University of Barbados.

    But there were a few inaccuracies in the article. Taxila is listed in the WHO directory and that is a basic requirement to take the Steps. That is not accreditation but a basic requirement for ECFMG certification.The US Department of Education has no oversight over medical degrees and does not authentic medical credentials issues by foreign medical schools. ECFMG is the only organization that is specifically tasked to do that. Hence it is theoretically possible for someone from Texilla to apply to write the USMLE and even theoretically apply for residency through the Match. Whether the person would be successful is another matter all together! Just to be clear: I am not advocating that you should set sail for Guyana. I am only point out the some errors in the article.

    The medical degree need not be accredited in the US for it to be valid here. In fact no foreign medical degree is ever accredited in the US in the true sense of the word. The article misses that point all together. It seems the journalistic standards in Guyana are about as strong as their oversight of medical schools that operate there!

    But there is no excuse for not looking into these place before enrolling.

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    It's interesting the article brings (CAAM-HP) accreditation issues into the picture. http://www.caam-hp.org/assessedprogrammes.html
    Technically, Guyana is a South American country that has "political ties" with the Caribbean (CARICOM) but does not technically need to associate or receive accreditation from CAAM-HP! It's recognition from the country of Guyana should be adequate, so it is difficult to understand why the institution would care or even mention (CAAM-HP) accreditation??
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    Okay I found the answer:

    "Agreement Establishing the CAAM-HP
    The CAAM-HP was legally constituted with an Agreement. This Agreement, the Agreement Establishing the Caribbean Accreditation Authority for Education in Medicine and other Health Professions, was signed by five (5) Heads of Government in November 2003, at which time the Agreement became provisionally applicable. To date, thirteen (13) CARICOM member countries have signed the Agreement:
    Antigua & Barbuda
    The Bahamas
    Barbados
    Belize
    Dominica
    Grenada
    Guyana
    Jamaica
    St. Kitts & Nevis
    St. Lucia
    St. Vincent & the Grenadines
    Suriname
    Trinidad & Tobago"

    It's interesting to note that Montserrat was not a signatory country to CAAM-HP but USAT applied anyway and was denied accreditation. Shows initiative but perhaps an indicator of politics?
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    University of Guyana applied for accreditation, was reviewed, and rejected! That's the flagship local school for Guyana and has a medical school that trains local doctors. Unfortunately there are several fly-by-night off-shore schools operate out of Guyana and the country doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to transparency and corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Med grad View Post
    University of Guyana applied for accreditation, was reviewed, and rejected! That's the flagship local school for Guyana and has a medical school that trains local doctors. Unfortunately there are several fly-by-night off-shore schools operate out of Guyana and the country doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to transparency and corruption.
    It sounds like "Caribbean Accreditation Authority for Education" is currently icing on the cake for a Caribbean medical school. Obviously, some medical schools are operating with the blessing of the hosting country and without accreditation. Your explanation on the process of ECFMG certification is enlightening. To re-phrase, as long as the medical school is "listed" in the WDME, the applicant can apply to ECFMG for certification. This in turn may allow the certificant to apply for a residency. Obviously, no guarantees and certainly a potential for state licensing issues if school is on a state "unapproved" list.

    By 2023 all medical schools have to meet accreditation standards "comparable" to US accreditation standards to be eligible to apply for ECFMG certification: ECFMG | Medical School Accreditation Requirement This rigid standard could be difficult to attain even by an organization like CAAM-HP.

    I guess marginal foreign medical schools will continue to attract medical students interested in returning and practicing in the USA for a few more years. Of course, students from other countries may still be able to graduate and seek a license in their country depending on how stringent their licensing rules are. My guess is some countries will grant a license as long as the school is listed in the World Directory of Medical Schools. Others will have much more stringent requirements! Once again, please do your research before investing time and money!
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    The new ECFMG standards are a game changer for the Caribbean medical education post 2023. I have always believed the vast majority of schools in the Caribbean will close down or they will change their marketing strategy to attract non-North Americans. Some schools have already started doing that by marketing to students from Nigeria, India, and Middle East who would go back to their respective countries for clinicals or residency.

    The larger Caribbean schools will see their market shrink as residency spots become more competitive. For now, all schools are trying to make as much money as they can before the storm hits. They know full well the end is near. This is all the more reason to be careful if anyone is thinking about the Caribbean school because schools will do whatever they can to get as many students as they can.

    Another trend that is alarming is the availability of legitimate clinical education. Clinicals have dried up for most schools and those who still have them have to invest millions to keep their spots. Most Caribbean schools are cheating their students by sending them to doctors' offices where they learn next to nothing and will have no inpatient experience. Those students could face hurdles with state licensing boards when its time to apply for a license. What many people don't realize is that doing a residency does not automatically entitle them to an independent license to practice. State boards still scrutinize and verify clinical education, and in some states, even basic sciences and premed credentials. So there are many pit falls along the way and most students, at least the ones I have seen, have no clue about these issues!

    The last I heard even St. George is up for sale and is looking for a buyer!

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    OFFSHORE MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN THE CARRIBEAN OUGHT TO MIMIC THE REAL DEAL MED SCHOOL

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...00363-0099.pdf

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    UWI is not in the same league as the off shore medical schools. That is a real school for the Caribbean and has largely trained all the doctors, lawyers, and dentists who practice throughout the Caribbean Islands. The offshore schools will never be in the same league because education is not their primary objective. They operate to make money and nothing more. But as I said before, their end is near once the ECFMG accreditation requirements come into effect.

    To run a real medical school is expensive and the offshore schools will never invest that much to provide a real education. Instead they do everything they can to pocket as much as they can!!!!!

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