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Med school calls for another rescue By Jeffrey Young In 1983, the U.S. armed forces invaded the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada, in part to rescue American students studying at the St. George's University School of Medicine. Present-day students at the school and two others are now the target of an obscure provision tucked into the budget- reconciliation bill that would cut off their student loans. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) offered the language as part of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee's contribution to the massive budget bill. As House and Senate negotiators inch toward a conference agreement on the legislation, the three foreign-based medical schools are furiously working to protect a lucrative stream of federal funding. According to DeVry Inc., the for-profit education company that owns Ross University School of Medicine on the island of Dominica, St. George's, Ross and the American University of the Caribbean on St. Maarten provide medical education to more than 3,500 American students who return to the United States after their studies to practice medicine. According to Sessions, these schools are tantamount to diploma mills that were "created to serve American students who cannot get into American medical schools." Americans choose to study in the islands because there are too few open spaces in domestic medical schools to accommodate them, countered Sharon Thomas Parrott, DeVry's senior vice president for government and regulatory affairs. Sessions emphasized that he is not trying to target unfairly these Caribbean medical schools but instead wants to transfer the loan money that their students currently receive to students at medical schools on U.S. soil. "We are working desperately to maintain a strong student-loan program," Sessions told The Hill. "You need to ask yourself what your priorities are," he said. "I'm of the strong view that we need to be thinking about how to improve our own, world-class medical schools," Sessions said. Both Sessions and Thomas Parrott cited a looming shortage of doctors in the United States to support their cases. The American students who study at the Caribbean schools continue their education in residency programs in the United States and must pass American certification exams to practice medicine, Thomas Parrott said. "We're about to reduce our healthcare capability" if the language is included in the final bill, she said. Sessions suggested that the current situation weakens the quality of healthcare in the United States. Because of the shortage of available residents, teaching hospitals are "so desperate to get bodies, they'll take them from any school." He further observed that the for-profit owners of these three Caribbean schools stand to lose a large amount of their tuition if his language is adopted. "That's big money to them," he said. Thomas Parrot said that more than 90 percent of Ross University's medical students are American and that about 80 percent of the students receive federal financial aid. The school processed $53 million in federal loans during the 2004-2005 school year, she said. The legislative language is in flux as the conferees debate the budget bill, Sessions said. House members have made the lion's share of the objections, he noted. Thomas Parrott identified Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon (R-Calif.), chairman of the Education and the Workforce Committee's 21st Century Competitiveness Subcommittee, as a supporter of DeVry's position. Meanwhile, final action could come as early as today on the appropriations conference report for labor- health and human services, which would slash programs funding the education of doctors and other medical professionals by more than half.

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Seems like it's coming to an end.... the final decision is almost here...

(I'm so glad I've only got a year left in med school..... )

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california medical board are discriminating againist all californian imgs!

from what I have read, they sent 1 pediatrician, 1 nurse and 1 lawyer to st. matthew U, and that school had to pay california, $64,000!!!

if they want to evaluate a medical school, how come they didn't even send one person who have a degree in education? and why do they charge the school such a huge amount of money? $3000 can easily cover those 3 people's tround trip tickets.

obviously, their real intention is to discriminate people based on their education. People, it is time to fight back. We can't let them to abuse their rights, and mess up our life!

Do you actually believe that they sent that type of team? Suggest you read the report and then lookup the backgrounds of the team. Will help you realize what is real in the report.

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You're not getting it, are you. Certain medical schools don't require inspection (like ones in the far east or south asia) because those schools have existed for decades, training doctors that are suitable for practice *in their own nation*. The schools are almost always government subsidized, and *not* degree factories tailored to people who couldn't get admitted in their own country.

So yes, there is discrimination -- discrimination against fly-by-night operations that have existed only for a handful of years, that produce graduates ineligible for training in the country in which they studied. That isn't to say that all Caribbean schools are like this. Who knows? This is why inspectors are dispatched to these locations to make sure standards are being upheld.

Taiwan? Political agenda? You've got to be kidding me. This list has been typed up by some administrator making 1/10th of a physician's salary- to suggest anything political is absurd.

Your Cuba and North Korea points *conflict with each other*. "North Korean schools aren't good enough"? Well in the same vein, Cuban schools aren't good enough? Cuban schools do meet standards of care and have been producing doctors to treat its nation's sick. Refer to my first point. As for North Korea, the government there is quite insular, and its citizens can't even leave the nation, let alone get licensed in California. If you're getting all picky with geography and nomenclature, "North Korea" is technically the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Be consistent.

Wales is a principality of the UK; both grouping it by itself or with the UK are acceptable.

DO's have their own board which deals with licensure.

People with degrees in education know nothing about *medical school* pedagogy. $3000 to cover the plane tickets? (this is assuming these professionals travel coach). Is that the only charge? How about $400/hour for the lawyer, and similar amounts for the other medical professionals involved. Writing the report? Have you flipped through it? It's one LONG document, which is 1000% more cogent and sound than your reasoning, and likely took quite a long time to write. $64,000 likely barely covers the cost.

Your points are categorically ridiculous. There is no discrimination. If your mother were injured, would you want some quack treating her? That isn't to say the Caribbean produces quacks. Accreditation and approval help ensure that quacks aren't slipping out (that is, quacks who know just enough to pass licensing exams).

for the love of god, just go to a cali approved school

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yes, there are schools that existed for decades, that does not mean that they are good! look at that Hanaman med. school in Philadelphia, it was completely closed. look at Ross, it is now admitting over 400 studets each semester, and it doesn't even have enough seats for all the students. And it was approved by california med. board? why is that? how can the board guarantee that ross is still providing good education to those over 400 studets?!
There are laws that prohibit goverment agents discriminatig people based on their education. Simply because a person had two years of basic science training at a caribbean school, that doesn't mean that that person can never be a great physician. This is just wrong. And because all the americans who studied at some caribbean med. schools are not allowed to do rotations in California, directly it is the med. board's fault to prevent those american students to learn to be good physicians.
There are professors that are teaching at those not-approved med. schools, what does that suggest?
For example, many of the Ross professors are now teaching at AUA. So what is the difference now? same professor, same textbook, same handout, just because a student is studying at AUA with all the same material, s/he still can not get approved?
Yes, calling taiwan as a country, it is obviously very politically motivated. It does not matter who did it, I have posted this many days ago. They still have not corrected. If by mistake, they listed AUA as an approved school, I am sure that that mistake will be corrected in one day!
Exactly, my Cuba and North Korea points *conflict with each other*. And how come the board continues to contradict itself by treating two communism coutries very differently? Neither the Cubans or the north koreans can leave their countries freely, so why did the board decided to only license Cuba, but not north korea? Once again, it just showed that the board is full of political agenda. It even dares to challenge the US government by approving schools in Cuba which the US government has no official contacts.

Wales is just one example to show that the list has lots of mistakes.
Charging SMU for $64,000 is a total rip-off! I want to know how much the board charged for those two cuban med. schools that they have never visited? So if the board can approve schools in cuba free of charge, why did the board have to charge SMU such a huge amount? Cubans do not speak english, if they can not even communicate with americans, how can we trust their doctors to treat our patients?

Your points are categorically ridiculous. There are lots of discrimination. If your mother were injured, would you want to send her to an inner city hospital or a suburban hospital? California has lots of imported nurses, did the board also check all those nurse schools oversea?
Can Bush represents the students from Yale, or is he just like what you said one of "the quacks who know just enough to pass licensing exams?"