This is most interesting....read their specifications and list of schools they ban and ask additional information from:

http://www.albme.org/app-req.htm


540-X-3-.02 Medical Education Requirement

(1) All applicants for a certificate of qualification shall present a diploma or evidence of graduation from any of the following institutions:

(a) A college of medicine or school of medicine accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education of the American Medical Association.

(b) A college of osteopathy accredited by the American Osteopathic Association.

(c) A college of medicine or school of medicine not accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education which is approved by the Board of Medical Examiners and whose graduates are eligible for examination by the Education Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) for its certificate. The Education Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) and its sponsoring organizations define a "graduate of a foreign medical school" as a physician whose basic medical degree or qualification was conferred by a medical school located outside the United States, Canada, and Puerto Rico. The medical school must be listed at the time of an applicant’s graduation in the World Directory of Medical Schools published by the World Health Organization.

(2) The Board may, within its discretion, withhold approval of any college of medicine designated in (1)(c) above which:

(a) Has had its accreditation withdrawn by a national or regional accreditation organization; or

(b) Has had its authorization, certification, or licensure revoked or withdrawn by a national or regional governmental supervisory agency; or

(c) Has been denied approval or has had its approval withdrawn by any national, state, or territorial licensing jurisdiction based upon an evaluation of the college of medicine or upon a finding of misconduct by the college; or

(d) The Board has determined has engaged in fraudulent, criminal, or other practices which are inconsistent with quality medical education.

1. A college of medicine which allows graduation from its medical school program, issues diplomas, or confers medical degrees based on course work offered via the Internet or online programs, and which is deemed by the Board to be a college of medicine which engages in practices which are inconsistent with quality medical education, will not be an approved college of medicine for the purpose of fulfilling the medical education requirement of Ala. Code §34-24-70 and this rule.

(3) Documentation submitted through the Federation Credentials Verification Service (FCVS) may be accepted to demonstrate compliance with subparagraphs (1)(a), (1)(b) and (1)(c) above.

(4) If the diploma of the applicant is based in any part upon clinical rotations, clerkships or training which was completed at hospitals which are not located within the same country where the medical school is principally located or where the director of the clinical rotation, clerkship or training is not directly responsible to the administration of the medical school, the applicant shall have the director of the clinical rotation, clerkship or training at the hospital where the clinical rotation, clerkship or training was undertaken send an original letter to the Board outlining the dates of the training, the exact type of training completed and an evaluation of the applicant's performance in the clinical rotation, clerkship or training undertaken.

(5) In the event that the Alabama Board of Medical Examiners shall, after careful consideration, determine that there exists substantial credible evidence to indicate that a college of medicine or a college of osteopathy located outside of the United States may have issued or is issuing diplomas to individuals who have not in fact acquired such diploma by actual attendance at and participation in a residency program of medical instruction and clinical rotations then in such event the Board may require that an applicant holding a diploma from such college submit the following additional documentation in conjunction with his or her application:

(a) That the applicant document to the satisfaction of the Board actual attendance in residence at all portions of the program of medical instruction designed to be taken in residence on the premises of the college of medicine or college of osteopathy issuing the diploma.

(b) That the applicant document to the satisfaction of the Board actual attendance and participation in clinical programs of instruction, or clinical rotations at a hospital facility actually affiliated with the college of medicine or college of osteopathy and offered as a part of the overall program of medical education.

(c) The foregoing requirements shall apply to applicants for a certificate of qualification by endorsement under '34-24-73, Code of Alabama, 1975, or by examination under '34-24-70, Code of Alabama, 1975, or for limited licensure under '34-24-75, Code of Alabama, 1975.

(d) The Board shall publish and maintain a list of any colleges of medicine or colleges of osteopathy which it determines to be within the scope of this rule.

(e) The documentation which the Board of Medical Examiners will deem to be acceptable for the purposes of this rule shall include, but is not limited to, passport data showing entry to and exit from the country in which the college of medicine or college of osteopathy is located; other travel or immigration documents issued by the United States Government, or the government of the country in which the college of medicine or college of osteopathy is located reflecting residence in that country; the sworn and notarized certification of the department or division director of any clinical program affiliated with the college of medicine or college of osteopathy attesting to the attendance and residency of the applicant; or any other impartial documents as would be considered trustworthy by a reasonably prudent person in the conduct of his most important affairs. Failure of the applicant to document actual attendance as specified above will result in a denial of the application for certificate of qualification. The requirements set forth in this rule shall be in addition to all of the other requirements set forth in the rules and regulations of the State Board of Medical Examiners.

(6) The following Colleges of Medicine or Schools of Medicine are not approved by the Board for applicants for certificates of qualification pursuant to the authority of Ala. Code §34-24-70(a)(1)c. and Rule 540-X-3-.02(2):

(a) Universidad Tecnoglica de Santiago, Dominican Republic (UTESA)

(b) Universidad Eugenio Maria de Hostos, Dominican Republic (UNIREMHOS)

(7) Graduates of the following colleges of medicine or schools of medicine are required to submit the additional documentation required by Rule 540-X-3-.02(5)(a) through (d) in conjunction with an application for a certificate of qualification:

(a) Kigezi International School of Medicine, Uganda, Africa

(b) Universidad Centro de Estudios Tecnologicos, Dominican Republic (CETEC)

(c) Universidad Fedrico Henriquez Carajal, Dominican Republic (UFHEC)

(d) Universidad Centro de Investigacion Formacion Asesona Social, Dominican Republic (CIFAS)

(e) University of Health Sciences Antigua, St. Johns (Antigua), Dominican Republic

(f) Spartan University (A.K.A. St. Lucia Health Sciences University), Dominican Republic

(g) American University of the Caribbean, Montserrat, West Indes

(h) American University of the Caribbean, St. Maarten

(i) Universidad Autonoma de Ciudad Juarez, Mexico

(j) Universidad Mexico American Del Norte, Mexico

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Interesting that Kigezi is on the watch list but not St. Chris.

I noticed they also want to see the passport showing entry and exit in regulation 5(e).

I wonder if Spartan is there because of their clinicals?

And what's that with AUC??

Also note that UHSA is not unapproved, it is only on the list requiring more documentation along with spartan, kigezi, and AUC. Interesting

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here is what gets UHSA and IUHS though from their law

1. A college of medicine which allows graduation from its medical school program, issues diplomas, or confers medical degrees based on course work offered via the Internet or online programs, and which is deemed by the Board to be a college of medicine which engages in practices which are inconsistent with quality medical education, will not be an approved college of medicine for the purpose of fulfilling the medical education requirement of Ala. Code §34-24-70 and this rule.

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I actually called the Alabama board a few years back to ask about the whole AUC thing. The person I spoke to said all you had to do was show your passport with the entry and exit stamps for the time you were supposed to be in residence on the island and that would suffice. She told me there are actually a number of AUC grads licensed in Alabama and she recommended AUC over a couple of other schools I mentioned.

The whole thing seems curious, but at least Alabama seems to lay its cards on the table about specific schools.

Best of Luck!

Well I guess they have to include Brown University medical school, Miami University medical school and Harvard Medical school along with the tons of other medical schools which have online courses within their curriculums or are in the process of creating distant learning programs.

I suggest AZ that you start calling some of the US medical schools and ask which ones have included online courses within their curriculum and which ones are in the process of creating some form of online course work. I'm sure you will be suprised to realise that alot of US medical schools don't have 100% attendance requirements and alot of US medical students don't even show up for lectures outside of exam time. Many do have some form of course work that can be done online.

As of today, no US medical school has complete basic science online. However, once IVIMEDS becomes fully operational-this should happen within the next 7yrs-this rule would have to include all US and non-US medical schools which are partner's which IVIMEDS. Brown University, Miami University and Harvard are LCME medical schools. Therefore, they would have to say that they are practicing inconsistent quality medical education which I'm sure the LCME will never stand for. This means that either the LCME will withdrawl thier accreditation from these schools or the medical board will then begin to discriminate against medical schools on the account that they offer distant learning options. Time shall tell.

Another point worth mentioning, the rule specifically says that student from UHSA must present additional information. So now it seems like they say that some graduates can become licensed while other can't?! According to the rule, any school that offers this type of learning, is unapproved and the education does not meet requirements for licensure. That must mean that students who attend on campus can become licensed based upon the information summitted, yet, those who do distant learning, is not able to become licensed?! That's double standard if you ask me. Well if one student does the distant learning option and another student does the on campus program, both pass the USMLE, both did clinicals in the US and both did residency here in the US, how does the board say one has recieved inconsistent quality medical education over the other? It doesn't make sense if you ask me and if you ask an employement lawyer he or she would probably say the same thing.

I think the board had better disqualify UHSA all together if it wants to play the inconsistent quality medical education role. AZ, since you are so against medical students doing their basic sciene via distant learning, perhaps you can start your letter writing and speaking to the board on this issue. For once, you just may be able to get a school banned in a state. No pun to UHSA or IUHS students.

Maybe I need to become a lawyer by studying via distant learning and becoming licensed in California (the only state in the union that allows this, yet bans physicans who studied basic science online. Way to go California, that's the way to show citizens that one can not learn through distant learning). Then I can help all my fellow distant learning medical student who are discriminated against for the simple fact of how they learned to be a physician rather than on their skill level based on their USMLE scores. Then I can take it to congress and show them how qualified physician are being banned in this country on the account of how they learned basic science in medical school.

actually NO us school is doing it completely online as UHSA/'IUHS/St. Luke does and those are the schools that won't make the grade for most states due to the poor quality of education and supervision.

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Yeah, poor quality education and what you call lack of supervision and yet students from SLUSOM are passing the USMLE with a 87-90% average based upon our recent graduates scores. This must mean that the USMLE is a failure and should not be used to judge rather a physcian is competent to practice medicine. In fact, it proves the incompetency of US medical schools when a student who attends an incompetent medical school is able to scores a 90% on the USMLE which is the same as or in most cases better than US medical school graduates scoring on the same test. I see someting seriouly wrong with that if you don't. By the way AZ, these figures are not what I think. I know this for a fact.

Rather than going into details about SLUSOM, this whole thread is mute unless your a potential medical student who seeks to be licensed in the US and you want to attend a medical school that doesn't have any kind of restriction in all 50 states. For someone who cares about working in all 50 states, IUHS, UHSA and SLUSOM is not the school for you. It's as simple as that.

However, Az and some of the other medical students on this site, my debate with you is your continuous insult towards medical students such as myself. For you to call a medical student incompetent based on how they are learning is insulting. This is even more insulting coming from a person such as yourself Az who has never taught in or was a staff member in control of medical education in the US or aboard. I'm not saying this to put you down or insult you. But you are insulting all medical students and doctors who have gone this route rather they are working in the US or aboard.

I do hope that someday you will realize this and stop insulting medical students such as myself. This goes for all medical students and ex-medical students and whoever else feels that distant learning means the students are incomptent unsupervised individuals compared to US medical students.

well, as of now it would seem the ultimate in foolishness to attend an online med school...reasons being 1) that even the proven, established schools are using it as a complement to traditional lecture based learning 2) the states do not universally accept it as valid 3) it is highly unlikely that these offshore schools have the smarts and resources to be leaders in a new method of education

the fact of the matter is this is a cash cow. charge normal tuition and have very few of the expenses. what happens to the students? well, admin would surely love the world to embrace this new method of instruction and bring in the dollars, but if it doesn't work out, oh well. overhead was low, risk was low, and they got some cash. perhaps the grads can work in a few desperate states, and it won't be a total failure.

seriously, internet med school may or may not be a great idea. that is not the point. the point is that it is foolish to attend these schools, unless you really don't care if you ever practice, or unless you don't mind wasting money. if and when it is ever accepted as legit by the mainstream schools, then the carib can try it.

Nelic, you know what, I give up. But I'll say this to you, I'm going to make it to being a licensed practing physician rather in this country or another country. Call me what you want, say what you want, but I'm going to make it. I wish the best to all the medical students out there, including all those who are doing distant learning.


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