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RE: California Ill Advised Approved & Unapproved Medical Schools

I wonder if there is any way to boycott CA Medical Board, or raise some concerns regarding the ill advised CA list of Approved and Unapproved medical schools ??

If Shangai Mai U and Bagdad U are "approved" then other Caribbean Schools that follow WFME and LCME standards might as well be, to say the least.

In my opinion MUA, SMU, St. James, St. Eustacious, Windsor, UHSA, AUA, St. Martinus, Spratan U, should ALL be approved, and reviewed based on USMLE students performance and education standards, NOT based on hidden political agenda.



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Its not a hidden political agenda. Shangai Mai U and Bagdad U are approved because they are state sponsored or owned schools or state recognized schools made to train their own citizens, locals, natives, not OFFSHORE Medical schools open to cater mainly to US students not accepted in the US system. In other words, those schools and those countries don't train physicians to pass the USMLE or send them to our country. The state of CA approve them just in the case an immigrant from those countries arrive into the US at least they have a means to validate their credentials into the US system, same people they ask other requirements like the TOEFL test, visas, etc. Those schools must be in good standing in their own countries and have all the adequate acreditations within their countries. This has been explained extensively in the State Medical Licensing section of this website, look at it. Saying it's a hidden political agenda only reflects your lack of information on the subject.

People have even sued, UNSUCCESSFULLY the board. Results? More states have incorporated it, like adding fuel to a fire. So.....you may boycott and expect nothing in exchange or get a lawyer, sue them and loose like everyone else (not to be rude or anything). The CA medical board is very powerful, has lots of re$ources to fend off this kind of suits.







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RE: California Ill Advised Approved & Unapproved Medical Schools

I wonder if there is any way to boycott CA Medical Board, or raise some concerns regarding the ill advised CA list of Approved and Unapproved medical schools ??

If Shangai Mai U and Bagdad U are "approved" then other Caribbean Schools that follow WFME and LCME standards might as well be, to say the least.

In my opinion MUA, SMU, St. James, St. Eustacious, Windsor, UHSA, AUA, St. Martinus, Spratan U, should ALL be approved, and reviewed based on USMLE students performance and education standards, NOT based on hidden political agenda.


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in the absence of a national system to evaluate the med schools other boards are following the California list now and it is growing rapidly in terms of its importance. Bottom line: If your school can't meet California, you are taking a risky path in medical school.


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Its not a hidden political agenda. Shangai Mai U and Bagdad U are approved because they are state sponsored or owned schools or state recognized schools made to train their own citizens, locals, natives, not OFFSHORE Medical schools open to cater mainly to US students not accepted in the US system. In other words, those schools and those countries don't train physicians to pass the USMLE or send them to our country. The state of CA approve them just in the case an immigrant from those countries arrive into the US at least they have a means to validate their credentials into the US system, same people they ask other requirements like the TOEFL test, visas, etc. Those schools must be in good standing in their own countries and have all the adequate acreditations within their countries. This has been explained extensively in the State Medical Licensing section of this website, look at it. Saying it's a hidden political agenda only reflects your lack of information on the subject.

People have even sued, UNSUCCESSFULLY the board. Results? More states have incorporated it, like adding fuel to a fire. So.....you may boycott and expect nothing in exchange or get a lawyer, sue them and loose like everyone else (not to be rude or anything). The CA medical board is very powerful, has lots of re$ources to fend off this kind of suits.
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Exclamation The California biased list

This California list is biased:

It is the role of NBME or ECFMG to evaluate applicants based on performance in basic medical sciences and clinical sciences.

Evaluation should be individualized as per applicant, not medical school as a whole.

As a senior resident (3rd year) I can tell you that over the years I have seen good MDs from "bad" schools and Horrific MDs from GREAT north american schools, some even from California.

Now, I am mentoring few residents from Caribbean schools, St. James U, and St. Martinus U, both are GREAT MDs, and are "unapproved" in California, why ?? they both scored VERY well on the USMLE and are competent MDs. Let alone myself, graduated from UHSA, another "unapproved" medical school, yet I was awarded intern of the year in 2005.
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Congratulations on you award. However, each state has their prerogatives and criteria. Some people will be displeased, as in your case, others won't. I suggest you to voice your concerns where it most matters, the CA legislature and government. Not that it's wrong to complaint here, since it helps you vent out the anger you have with them, but most of the old posters here, like me, we have been reading the same complaints since the days this was Network 54 in 1999, and CA has not changed a bit, on the contrary, more states are incorporating their list.




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This California list is biased:

It is the role of NBME or ECFMG to evaluate applicants based on performance in basic medical sciences and clinical sciences.

Evaluation should be individualized as per applicant, not medical school as a whole.

As a senior resident (3rd year) I can tell you that over the years I have seen good MDs from "bad" schools and Horrific MDs from GREAT north american schools, some even from California.

Now, I am mentoring few residents from Caribbean schools, St. James U, and St. Martinus U, both are GREAT MDs, and are "unapproved" in California, why ?? they both scored VERY well on the USMLE and are competent MDs. Let alone myself, graduated from UHSA, another "unapproved" medical school, yet I was awarded intern of the year in 2005.
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Mybe 3 or 4 more, for the new people who don't bother to search in the site because they "don't have the time" = lazyness.


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