So, if I've completed a few electives at hospitals that do not have a residency in that subject(such as radiology), will this be a problem down the road for Texas licensure?

I've heard that getting board certified BEFORE applying for licensure can bypass this obstacle.

Thanks!

they require all green book rotations. contact the TSMB about the board certification thing they respond in about a day

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I see light at the end of the tunnel!!!...wait a minute its just another freakin tunnel!

I know that TX and PA like all rotations to be green. Do you know which states require cores to be Green (rather than AOA)?

I'm at the point now where I have to decide between moving around between green rotations or staying in one spot and doing AOA.

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Don't know what a Greenbook rotation is? Click here.
Preliminary list of state licensing requirements here.

my school requires all cores to be green so i never had to look it up since we are not allowed a choice

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I see light at the end of the tunnel!!!...wait a minute its just another freakin tunnel!

though this might be true for TX, i know for sure that as of 2006, PA has changed it's licensing laws. they require 3 years of ACGME residency; they don't require green book rotations anymore. i had the guy from the licensing office say it twice to me b/c i didn't believe it.

Thats funny! I spoke to a guy there too today and was told that rotations had to be green. I guess conflicting stories do abound!

Who was the guy you spoke to? My guy seemed like an older gentlemen, soft spoken and willing to answer all of my questions.

he was a younger guy, and i don't know his name. he basically said that IMGs were having such a difficult time getting their permanent license in PA that the state medical board had a meeting and determined that 3 years of ACGME approved residency would satisfy their requirements instead of going through all their rotations. he also said that they accept FCVS now, which they did not before. I spoke to this guy last year in Sept or Oct.

my guess (after this conversation) was that PA is suffering from so many docs leaving, because of the malpractice crisis over there, that they are making it easier for docs to practice in PA.

supply and demand, strong forces.

I guess there still isnt alot of consensus as to what the rules are. It seems like the rules change dependent on who you talk to in the Medical Board.

In any case, I totally hear you about docs leaving PA. That Scranton ordeal was a monster.

But what I cant figure out is why there still is the ban on foreign medical student rotations in the State. It seems to me from talking to many of the PA residency programs, that they would love to take FMGs if they were willing to stay on board and practice in the area.

As you probably already know, the trend is clear...FMGs that rotate in-house at hospitals have a better chance of matching there...which in turn translates to practicing in the area since a good portion of new residency grads practice within a 200 mile radius of where they did residency training.

yep, that's the idea that the states have. to fund a residency slot costs around $150,000 per year, or so i've heard (and we only see $40,000 of it). it's an investment for the state, and they hope to do good on their investment by keeping you there.

about rotations, i'm not too sure about that. but there are some IMG friendly residency slots. here's the site.

aippg.info (keep in mind these are for internal medicine, and some of these programs need a little updating, but you see the trend).


HOSPITAL: Lehigh Valley Hospital/Pennsylvania State University Program
LOCATION: PA Allentown
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121359
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: Graduation from medical school no earlier than 1996, U.S. experience preferred
SCORES: Passage of USMLE Steps I and II with a score of 80 or above on the first attempt
FMGS: NONE
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HOSPITAL: St Luke's Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Bethlehem
PROGRAM CODE: 1404131360
CONTACT: Janice Buczui – PC- [F]
REQUIREMENTS: We do not require clinical experience in the United States. There is no stipulation for year of graduation from medical school. We sponsor the J1 visa. The interviewing committee will give consideration to sponsoring the H-1B visa. The deadline for application is December 15, 2003.
SCORES: You must have passed your USMLE Step 1 and Step 2. There is no definite score requirement.
FMGS: n/a
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HOSPITAL: Geisinger Health System Program
LOCATION: PA Danville
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111362
CONTACT: Dr. Mary O'Keefe, MD- pd- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: h1, j1 sponsored
SCORES: 85 and above
FMGS: may be there
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HOSPITAL: Mercy Catholic Medical Center Program
LOCATION: PA Darby
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111375
CONTACT: Dr. Jeff M Greenblatt, MD - pd- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: NONE
SCORES: NO MINIMUM SCORES
FMGS: N/A
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HOSPITAL: Easton Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Easton
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111363
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: All allopathic candidates must apply through ERAS. International Medical Graduates must have passed USMLE Parts 1 and 2, be ECFMG certified, and have successfully completed the CSA. Graduation date within 6yrs.us experience preferred but not required. Direct pt. Care within 3 yrs. Interview will not be given until receipt of certification.
SCORES: 80 and above on both parts.
FMGS: yes, j1 and h1 visas.[8,8,8=24]
Contact -Ms. Tammy Messina, our Internal Medicine Program Coordinator will be happy to answer your questions. She can be reached at 610-250-4517 or by e-mail at tammy_messina@hq.chs.net.
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-HOSPITAL: Pinnacle Health System Program
LOCATION: PA Harrisburg
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111365
CONTACT:
Janene Beck
Program Administrator
Contact:
Department of Medicine, Pinnacle Health Hospitals
PO Box 8700
Harrisburg, PA 17105-8700
Phone: 717-231-8508, email: jbeck@pinnaclehealth.org
REQUIREMENTS: not more than 5 yrs. Since graduation. Deadline- dec21, 2002, previous US clinical experience required of either observership or residency-of 1 year.
SCORES: no minimum usmle score requirement- pass on first attempt only.
FMGS: may be there
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HOSPITAL: Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program
LOCATION: PA Hershey
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111366
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: Foreign applicants should be ECFMG certified. We prefer one year of US clinical experience. Year of graduation should be within 5 years of applying
SCORES: We prioritize applications with a minimum USMLE score of 200
FMGS: N/A
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HOSPITAL: Temple University/ Conemaugh Valley Memorial Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Johnstown
PROGRAM CODE: 1404131367
CONTACT: Gaile A Eckenrode- pc- [m]
REQUIREMENTS:
Graduation from medical school within the past 8 years (since 1995),
US clinical experience of at least one month-
(Externship or observership – must document that you have experience
Doing History and physical exam - research does not count)
3 letters of recommendation (At least one should be from your US clinical experience)
Green Cards accepted
We sponsor the J-1 and the H-1b visa
(All costs for H-1b visa are the candidate’s responsibility)
Deadline December 1
You do not have to have Step 3, CSA, or your ECFMG Certificate to qualify for an interview.
SCORES: USMLE 1 & 2 scores 80 or above on the first attempt
(No exceptions – no averages of the two)
FMGS:
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-HOSPITAL: UPMC McKeesport Program
LOCATION: PA McKeesport
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121368
CONTACT: Peggy Carter, Program Coordinator, Internal Medicine Residency Program - Phone: 412.664.2167
Email: carterp@msx.upmc.edu, MCKIMRESIDENCY@UPMC.EDU
REQUIREMENTS: an official medical school transcript, forwarded directly from the medical school- [it is not actually required]. We accept applications through ERAS. We sponsor J1 and H1 visas and with three or less years since medical school. However we do consider other individual criteria and experience. No prior experience is required. Please visit our web site at McKeesport Internal Medicine Residency for information.
SCORES: require an average score of 82
FMGS: MAY BE
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HOSPITAL: Albert Einstein Medical Center Categorical Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111369
CONTACT: Carina H Sundstrom –pc –[f]
REQUIREMENTS: N/A
SCORES: first time pass only- no minimum score requirement. [80 and above, first attempt]
FMGS: yes
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HOSPITAL: Albert Einstein Medical Center Preliminary Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111369
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS:
SCORES:
FMGS:
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LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111371
CONTACT: Janice Harper -pc- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: 10 yrs. Grad date, 1 year us experience preferred-not mandatory
SCORES: 80 in both.
FMGS: 85%
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HOSPITAL: Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121380
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: Valid ECFMG Certificate, if applicable, Medical school graduation date of 1999 or later 4 weeks of U.S. hands-on clinical experience within the past 6 months (observerships are excluded)
SCORES: USMLE Step 1 and 2 scores of at least 82
FMGS: NIL
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HOSPITAL: MCP Hahnemann University Program, Internal Medicine at Drexel University College of Medicine.
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121374
CONTACT: Ann F Gallagher – pc
REQUIREMENTS: Clinical experience in the United States is recommended, but not required. The institution will sponsor J-1 and H-1B visas
SCORES: We accept international graduates. There is no specific minimum score requirement for USMLE scores, but usually international medical graduates offered interviews in the recent years have board scores in the 90's.
FMGS: N/A
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HOSPITAL: Pennsylvania Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111376
CONTACT: Christine Isajiw –pc – [f]
REQUIREMENTS:
We prefer IMG’s to have had one-year clinical experience in the United States or the United Kingdom. This would include but not be limited to a transitional or preliminary year of training in the United States, or work as a senior house officer or registrar in the United Kingdom. Other clinical rotations in the United States or the United Kingdom with letters of recommendation from the attending physician with whom you rotated would be very beneficial to your application. There is no absolute cutoff for year of graduation from medical school. The decision to grant an interview is based on your clinical experience since graduation
SCORES: While we prefer USMLE scores (Step 1 and 2) of 200 or greater, there is no absolute cutoff. Each application through ERAS is reviewed individually and a decision to grant an interview is based on the applicant’s overall qualities.
Again, let me emphasize that there are no absolute cutoffs to eliminate applicants from the selection process. Each application through ERAS is reviewed individually and in-depth. Decisions for offering an interview at Pennsylvania Hospital are based on the applicant’s overall strengths and qualities. Also please have every effort to have your ECFMG paperwork in working when applying and completed by the time the match list comes out in mid-February.
FMGS: we do sponsor J-1 and H-1 Visas
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HOSPITAL: Temple University Hospital/Samaritan Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111370
CONTACT: Leona E Bisch –pc- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: The entire application is taken into consideration. Our cut off time from Medical School graduation is 3 years unless the candidate has significant clinical experience. We sponsor J1 and H1B visas. When applicable, we would require U.S. experience. The deadline for applications is November 15th. We will offer pre-match positions.
SCORES:
FMGS: International Medical Graduates may apply.
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-HOSPITAL: Temple University Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121378
CONTACT: Maria Cruz –pc- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: no more than five years out of medical school. Clinical skills in the US not mandatory but helpful.
SCORES: We are looking for board scores of 85 and above with
FMGS: We sponsor J-1 and H-1 visa.
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HOSPITAL: Thomas Jefferson University Program
LOCATION: PA Philadelphia
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121379
CONTACT: Dawn Krewda –pc- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: deadline is dec15, 2003.Hands-on clinical experience is not required to apply but it is highly preferred. H1 and j1 sponsored.
SCORES: no scores required.
FMGS: n/a
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HOSPITAL: Allegheny General Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Pittsburgh
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111381
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS:
SCORES: Your scores must be 200 or above. In steps1&2
FMGS:
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-HOSPITAL: Mercy Hospital of Pittsburgh Program
LOCATION: PA Pittsburgh
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111385
CONTACT: Deborah A Ackerman- pc –[f]
REQUIREMENTS: no US experience needed.
SCORES: no minimum score requirement.
FMGS: n/a
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HOSPITAL: Shadyside Hospital Program
Web site- http://www.upmc.edu/ShadyIntMed/Apply.htm
LOCATION: PA Pittsburgh
PROGRAM CODE: 1404122451
CONTACT: im@upmc.edu -pc
REQUIREMENTS: You must have graduated within the past seven years. We sponsor only J1 visas. US clinical experience is preferred but not mandatory. You must apply through ERAS.
SCORES: You must have at least an 80% on both Step I and Step II
FMGS: We have over 60% IMG's in our programs.
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-HOSPITAL: The Western Pennsylvania Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Pittsburgh
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111387
CONTACT: Dianne Ofcharik -pc- [f]
REQUIREMENTS: N/A
SCORES: scores of 85 and above are preferred for interviews.
FMGS: N/A
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HOSPITAL: University Health Center of Pittsburgh Program
LOCATION: PA Pittsburgh
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121504
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: N/A
SCORES: N/A
FMGS: N/A
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HOSPITAL: Reading Hospital and Medical Center Program
LOCATION: PA Reading
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121388
CONTACT: Dr. Daniel B Kimball, Jr, MD- Pd
REQUIREMENTS: six categorical positions available we do sponsor individuals who hold J1 or H1 visas, in addition to US citizens and those holding permanent visa status. Clinical experience in the US healthcare system greatly enhances one’s application. ]. Requirements are, that you hold an active and current ECFMG certificate [for IMGs] if you have not completed all the steps for ECFMG certification and cannot qualify for a Graduate Training License in PA, we will not view your application favorably. We obviously don’t want to match a Resident who can’t qualify for a Graduate Training License, and thus leave us with an open slot. If you have not completed all the steps for certification or graduation, be sure to indicate in your personal statement that you are likely to be qualified by the NRMP Match date in March.
SCORES: We have no minimum score requirements, [the median scores on Steps 1 and 2 for successful candidates for our program were 223 and 214 last year]
FMGS: We have ten International Graduates in our current class of 24 residents [internal medicine and transitional year].
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HOSPITAL: Guthrie /Robert Packer Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Sayre
PROGRAM CODE: 1404112389
Web site: Guthrie Internal Medicine Residency Program
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: Graduation from medical school no earlier than 1998, Clinical experience preferred, but not required - Application deadline November 1, 2003
SCORES: Minimum scores of 80 on each USMLE Step.
FMGS: MAY BE
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HOSPITAL: Scranton-Temple Residency Program
LOCATION: PA Scranton
PROGRAM CODE: 1404121390
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: N/A
SCORES: For international graduates, our minimum USMLE Part I and II scores are 80. $$$$
FMGS: Most Probably YES .
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-HOSPITAL: Crozer - Chester Medical Center Program
LOCATION: PA Upland
PROGRAM CODE: 1404131514
CONTACT: Dr. Susan L Williams, MD –Pd, Sabrina M. Tilghman- Program Coordinator - Sabrina.Tilghman@crozer.org
REQUIREMENTS: graduation date of 1998 or later. ECFMG certification must be valid through August 2004. - Till match is the requirement $$$$
SCORES: a USMLE score higher than 80 on Steps 1 and 2 on the first attempt
FMGS: n/a
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HOSPITAL: Northeastern Pennsylvania Hospitals Program
LOCATION: PA Wilkes-Barre
PROGRAM CODE: 1404131391
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: valid ecfmg certificate. Passed
step1 and 2. Mail before sep30th. Written request for application package to dept. of veteran’s affairs 1111, eastend boulevard 18711 PA, Wilkes-Barre, attention: human resources
SCORES:
FMGS:
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HOSPITAL: Lankenau Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA Wynnewood
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111373
CONTACT: John A Dempsey – pc- [m]
REQUIREMENTS: one year clinical training in USA, England or Canada.
SCORES: 80 in step2.
FMGS: MAYBE
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HOSPITAL: York Hospital Program
LOCATION: PA York
PROGRAM CODE: 1404111392
CONTACT:
REQUIREMENTS: US EXPERIENCE PREFERNCE FOR, BUT NOT MUST, RECENT GRADUATES PREFERRED.SPONSOR H1 AND J1 PROGRAMS-PAPERWORK AND FEES TO BE PAID BY CANDIDATE.
SCORES: 82 INSTEP1 AND 2
FMGS: yes
CONTACT: Susan E. Bell Internal Medicine/Transitional Program Coordinator Department of Medicine York Hospital 1001 S. George St. York, PA 17405 sbell2@wellspan.org ,
PHONE: 717-851-3160
HOSPITAL: Universidad Central del Caribe Program
LOCATION: PR Bayamon
PROGRAM CODE: 1404212452
REQUIREMENTS: N/A
SCORES: N/A
FMGS: N/A

Above is an example of what the FSMB stated in its report that licensure in the USA is the toughest ever in its history,imagine that most programs requires scores of 80 or above on USMLE steps and take only recent grads,and many take only first attempt successful candidates and repeaters ineligible to even apply,!!!that's only one step in one's career,being successful in residency is another challenge and I have seen many kicked out of residencies for many reasons,applying for licensure is another big challenge,passing speciality board exams another big one[I sit on credential committe and in 2006 we asked one physician to withdraw privilges because unable to pass board exam and most hospitals now requires board certification 5 years after residency completion and 2 years post expiration of certificate otherwise they want you to leave,my hospital requires ALL physicians to be board certified and that eliminate any incompetency issues].
I am trying to make a point that when "the extreme few" try to state that a certian physician with all exams,residency and boarded is unsafe,I have to say "you just get to be kidding"!!!!& thank god that the extreme few are buying that.

personal thoughts