It is not a beta site, Mr. Orton. It is their third attempt in two years and a willful misrepresentation of the school. They managed to remove the Veterinary and the Dental buttons, but not the Nursing button?

Do you have a student visa, or are you subject to arrest and deportation for overstaying your tourist visa? The students who graduated lived on the island for two years without the legal right. You are operating on promises, are you not? Even with a free ride, that is a bad choice. You have no legal rights if you are illegally on that island.

Anyone else?

The nursing button on the St Martinus web site will not be removed. The only problem with the button is that it's currently not working! It is supposed to open to a web page describing the nursing program. We are working on getting that fixed by unfortunately the on-site IT guy doesn't have access to that level of the site and the IT guy who does is currently working on other projects somewhere else. But as soon as possible, it will be fixed.

There are definite plans and actions being taken to develop a Faculty of Nursing at St. Martinus--discussions with St Elizabeth Hospital and university reps in Venezuela have been taking place. A local nursing consultant has been hired. St. Elizabeth Hospital is firmly behind the development of this program. The new web page for the nursing program will explain the program and current status. The nursing program will be in the Faculty of Nursing, which will be a separate entity from the Faculty of Medicine.

The person on staff who takes care of the student and work visas is currently on vacation. I don't have all the information on the status of the students but a couple of weeks ago two of the recent graduates Oleandergarden claims have been living on the island illegally for the past two years flew to Caracas Venezuela to write the USMLE Step I exam and returned to Curacao without a problem. One other grad did leave the island because his student visa expired but was not allowed to return until his visa problems were resolved. He has returned and is continuing to prepare for the USMLE. I assume they were able to do so because they had the proper visas.

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Mark A. Hawkins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Medical Ethics
St. Martinus University

You are advertising something you do not have. That is fraud.

You are also on the island illegally. Without a work permit, you are also subject to arrest and deportation. In addition, the school does not pay taxes on your income to the island government. This could subject you to fines and restitution. If you give the school any problem, you will be fired. You will then have to leave the island and will have no legal remedy.

I previously noted that it would take a faculty of 17 to teach the 17 courses of the curriculum. The new web site lists 17 names under faculty. There is no doubt as to the intention of this page - new names have been added, but no one has been subtracted - the list was inflated to meet my observation. This page is false. Only about half of those people actually have anything to do with St. Martinus. Some quit the school as long as a year ago (note Drs. RSA and EG are two of the five original professors who quit as described in the initial post of SMU, DOA), others have quit or been fired more recently, others are only nominally associated with the medical school and do not live on the island and certainly do not teach here. Does the school think this list is seen as an act of honesty by its own faculty or student body? If this were an honest operation, they would post the syllabus with the names of the faculty and which courses they teach.

The adjunct faculty list is also a fraud. These names came from a list that was circulated among island doctors when the school was first started, but most of them have never set foot in the school, and virtually none of them ever stood in front of a St. Martinus class.

Promote the school as it is, and you support the fraud. Go public and the owner will have to live up to his promises. St. Martinus will not survive as a fraud.

Anyone else?

You obviously don't know the current situation here at StMU, Oleandergarden, and are still going by how it was here before you were forced to leave the island. (Ah yes, the more you post, the more you reveal who you are!) You left before I came to StMU but other people here know you and know your story very well. Your comment, "If you give the school any problem, you will be fired. You will then have to leave the island and will have no legal remedy." was quite telling.

FYI, I am a permanent resident of the Netherlands Antilles, as are three other members of our faculty. All other faculty members have proper immigration paperwork submitted for work visas. All of our students also must submit proper paperwork for immigration purposes.

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Mark A. Hawkins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Medical Ethics
St. Martinus University

Paperwork submitted is not paperwork received. Mr. Hawkins is, as the student body can see, not addressing the false faculty list, the lack of legality or the false advertising of this university.

Oleander,
You are back after a long time. Did you go for a vacation?
Nice to see you again, will write more later.
What else do you know, I wanna know more. I will be waiting for your next post.
I will reply to your post sometimes later.

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Peace

St.Martinus University;Semester 5 basic sciences
http://www.martinus.edu

Last year FIRSNS1 wrote among other things the following !

The students (at St Martinus) run the library. Except for an 8 hr shift by a lady who sits in the library, and who is NOT a trained librarian by any stretch of the imagination it is still true that at St Martinus, that the students run the library. Is this not true smarty bwoy?

Smart doctor, tell me how many journals and periodicals on the Basic Sciences are in the St Martinus "library". How many books are in your school "library"? 200? 300?

Would you say that the books are housed in one corner on a few shelves in the library? Have you ever been in a real Science or Medical Library in a Real Medical School, Smart doctor?

Don't you think that a serious school should have a proper library with an adequate range of relevant books, and a real librarian?

Would you agree that your primary school and high school library had more books in it than the total number of books in St Martinus? Mine did?

Is it fair to students that they do not have the proper quantity or quality of books, for their education? Is it true that in many cases that even copies of the recommended texts are not available?.

Tell everyone that no one can borrow books from the St Martinus"library" --not even overnight. Administratio is fearful that they will lose even the few books they have. This is true is it not so Smart doctor? Will you lie about this too?

The schools of Veterinary medicine, Nursing and dentistry that are on the web site also never existed, or a program in hyperbaric medicine. The school is shrinking, the backer rents school space out to retail shops. Is this still true Smart Dr?Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Did not Oleander address this recently?

The problem is that the financial backer won´t keep promises. Is this still true Smart Dr?Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Have you not witnessed this while you have been there? I did in my very short stay.

The claim by the school rep last year that a pre-med program exists is also a lie. There were a few pre-med students last fall for one semester, but since then Smart doctor? Oleander is quite correct when he says that there is much representation on the St Martinus website is he not?

Students are leaving, with the exception of the students who are almost through this mess, and the locals who are charity cases and can´t go anywhere else.

Isnt this still true in large measure Smart Dr?Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?In the last semester alone about 10 students quit, is this not so, smart doctor? When one considers that the total roll is well under 40- this is a significant percentage of defaulters. Lie about this smarty, so that we can call the names of the defaulters, who left or quit this last semester.But be careful, we are well informed. We have good friends on campus still.Its just that they cant afford to leave.......... yet.
One of the new replacement professors is a relative of the backer with no obvious teaching experience, Isnt she young, and we are told just only herself finished step 1 smart doctor? Dont good schools have experienced teachers?

The Pathology Professor mentioned in FIRSNS1" post that is cool,has since left, is this not so Smarty?

If St. Martinus survives it will be a dog like Spartan or St. James. It isn´t accredited anywhere in the states. If you pay tuition to these people, you may be losing your money

ALL THESE ISSUES THAT ARE BOLD AND UNDERLINED ARE TRUTHS THAT CANNOT BE DENIED--- THEY WERE ALL ADDRESSED BY FIRSNS1 LAST YEAR. NOTHING HAS CHANGED ONE YEAR LATER.

St. Martinus isn´t accredited anywhere in the states-- nor in Curacao either. Isnt it true smart doctor that the school is trying still to get the local medical fraternity to accept the school. When we went to the local medical conferences, were we not told this?

ST MARTINUS is truly dead on arrival even one year later

Now we can relax in anticipation of a lot of drivel and lies from Smart dr as he pathetically tries to defend all the deficiencies at st martinus. .......BUt if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a DUCK. Likewise ........................physical infrastructure does not make a school.
Schools are run and led by folk with experience and expertise.

I feel that half of the "students" on this forum are school officials and the copmpetition is causeing these nasty posts, this is ridiculous. If you are safely in some other school, what is your interest in bashing another one....??? its ridiculous. You people need to get lives. This forum should be for communication of useful information to assist students. If a student is interested in atttending st martinus or any other offshore school, they had better visit and do their research themselves.

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Braincoral

BSc. Biology UWI
St. Martinus MD5+

Will write soon......
I have to study today, everything mentioned is not true.
You guys just come and write anything you like. In my last post it was very clear you are full of lies.
Same will be this time. Keep your lies with you and stop misleading the students. Bring some real facts and we will discuss.
If you have any specific concerns let me know. I will write back to this post soon.
Stop all this, everytime you will be nailed down.
Your rumour mill is working all time.
See ya.

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Peace

St.Martinus University;Semester 5 basic sciences
http://www.martinus.edu

St Martinus is not competition for anyone really, kind Sir!

The other schools in the Antilles have all grown faster than St Martinus.

When you get there you will see.

Seems you went to the biggest and oldest Carribean University for your first degree. Congrats. That means that you know what a true University - UNI & VARSITY is..... one body with several schools or faculties that are unified.
What happen? Why wont they let you in any of their Medical Schools. You couldnt cut the mustard? Your grades too low?

Seems you are from Grenada? (See you defending it in one of your posts). So why couldnt you get into SGU?

One of the purposes of this forum is to try to alert prospective students and newbies to the faults and deficiencies of these offshore schools. Many have thereby been diverted from the diploma mills and poorer schools to schools that better suit thier personalities or requirements.

Telling the truth is not school bashing.