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this is not the issue. the issue is st martinus supplying one transcript and claiming that the courses completed at st chris were actually completed at st martinus. that is not a simple transfer. that is fraud.

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We are not putting down St. Martinus. We are merely commenting on the public statement made by St. Martinus. And the statement states that "exminations" will be used to allow transferred students "complete transcript from one university" (direct quote) for licensure. This is fraud. To make this offer to another party is "conspiracy to committe fraud."

Medical boards read this forum as well. By making this offer in public, St. Martinus is hurting it's own current students who will come under tighter scrutiny by medical boards to make sure their transcripts are legit. Many medical boards have resorted to checking passports of offshore IMG applicants to make sure they actually physically attended school during the timeframe specified on the transcript.

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http://www.odmp.org/search.php?searc...=2001&cause=27
http://www.nypdangels.com/wtc.htm
http://www.hampsteadnh.us/police/A%2...ica%20Died.htm
http://longmontpolice.com/MEMORIAM.HTM

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and if the school says thats it alright........ are you gonna feel satisfied? where is the lesson from SC?

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I think the point is, the President of St. Martinus is the wrong person to direct this question to. He does not hold any licensing authority in the US. And US licensing laws are very clear. Every state board requires transcripts from every med school an applicant attends and seeks credit for. And doctoring transcripts to make it look as if classes attended elsewhere were granted "in-residence" to circumvent this simple requirement for official transcripts is fraud.

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Jean Luc Picard
Academic Hospitalist/Assist. Professor of Medicine, Star Fleet Medical, Earth, United Federation of Planets
Borg-Certified... Resistance is Futile.

In Glock, We Trust... Everyone Else... Keep Your Hands Where I Can See Them.

http://www.odmp.org/search.php?searc...=2001&cause=27
http://www.nypdangels.com/wtc.htm
http://www.hampsteadnh.us/police/A%2...ica%20Died.htm
http://longmontpolice.com/MEMORIAM.HTM

A. The charter, or perhaps lack thereof, is exactly the main point of contention in this entire St. Chris mess.
B. At the end of the day, it's not Senegal that will need to recognize St. Chris student's previous credits. It's state licensing boards. If they will or will not do so is currently very much an open question. But for current St. Chris students there's really only two options. One is to redo all of their courses at another school, which could be St. Martinus, SGU or a third school (safest) or, two, to apply for licensure with two transcripts (more uncertain). I would still hold that the offer from St. Martinus is invalid.

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FYI UPenn Dental's first year courses overlap with the first year medical students' courses. This is the case for a few top dental schools. For a school to grant advanced standing to a student, the courses should be basically identical and done in a reputed school, or the institution would be in peril with the LCME (I should know, my former advisor and PI is an LCME inspector). I just googled what you were talking about and dentists basically have the last priority (if at all) before other medical students. It is basically an "if and only if the courses are identical" clause, which basically reduces the situation to a standard "med school to med school" transfer.