The last three months have been trying as illness and the struggle to grapple with Pathology and perhaps trying to take too many courses in one semester took its toll. But now that I have some time to rest, and read and write on the forum, I must say a few things as I read the awful insults levelled at my former professor as the St. Martinians sought to identify the author of my posts.

In my last post on this thread I predicted '' Listen out now for the fragile, lame response of the St. Martinus University administration, and their spokesman. Listen to them blame A B C and any and everyone. Listen to thier efforts to divert attention from the truth, and from the facts. Oh listen! Listen! Its going to be hilarious."

Well did I lie? You saw the responses didnt you?

Nobody has any right to throw undeserved insults at another, or to also insult the decent folk who follow this forum . After all dont we live in democratic societies where people must be able always to freely voice their opinions and of course their dissent?

Criticism is one thing, but blatant insults are another matter altogether, and such disgusting language is certainly not becoming of doctors to be.

The powers that be responsible that allowed this insulting fiasco do not see it as their fault, due to the simple fact that they are so accustomed to being lord and master over all they survey and touch that whatever they do is right in their sight and woe unto whomever oppose them, for the wrath of victimisation will be brought down on one's head.

The administration, moderator and students of this school should in my opinion examine the litany of complaints presented so as to put things right Instead of being bitter, they should strive to be better.

The administration, moderator and students of this school should check the approach that moderators and students of the other schools use in responding to cricism. Worse of all they have blamed an innocent person for my posts.

There is severe criticism of Xavier and AUA on this forum, but no one will see insults hurled at any poster on these fora like those seen on the St Martinus forum, in response to my posts. No one has tried with facts to refute what I have said. All they have done is hurled insults at a person who worked very hard at their school, just because he has posted against other schools in the past.

Mike Caesar's post have proved that I have spoken the truth.

None of my posts are as provocative as these seen on the XUSOM forum.

Go there and you will see headlines such as
Problems at Xavier? or
xavier on downhill or
Xavier is just a scam! or
Whats the future of Xavier? or
Mass exodus from Xaviers to All Saints or
Xavier Lost Cause or
What kind of school is this?

If you read the responses, on the XUSOM forum, however you do not see anyone descending to the depths as they do on the St Martinus forum.

Careful perusal of both the AUA and SJMS fora will show that similar nasty posts have been made about everything under the sun. Yet the responses are proper, and this school contains to grow by leaps and bounds despite all the criticism.


It is very clear that, unable to refute the logic of my arguments, St Martinus administration and its assigns have attacked who they think is my person using, an old debating tactic designed to win an argument but not to arrive at the truth.

In doing so, they are demonstrating the fallacy and the problem of the presumptuous, a carelessness in evaluating objectively, and a commitment to erroneous opinions.

St Martinus' are not interested in any facts about the standards they claim to hold so dearly. They are interested only in the condemnation, dispensing with, and muzzling of anyone whom they think are opposing them.St Martinus' is not interested in even considering the claims of those whom they think are opposing them.

They need to realize that pride in one's knowledge often results in blindness of what is really happening around them. St Martinus' is a perfect example of those people who let prejudice (prejudging) and superficial evaluation blind them to the truth.

St Martinus' needs to learn rebuttal with facts is always preferable to attacks with insults.

As the man whom they insult would say, as he quotes his favorite book JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AND NOT BY THE APPEARANCE

In the posts of Pixie, and smart doctor we see some students, or administrator or representatives of St Martinus in a very very poor attempt to deflect their accountability for their improper program as presented in my simple posts.

The St Martinus defence seeks to discredit the source of their rebuke. Rather than being ashamed and convicted because of their incompetence, and inability to attract the number of students to make their school viable they resort to confrontation by villification.

Rather than responding to my post with verbal venom, and by telling us about a stinking professor whose teaching stinks, St Martinus representatives should seek to be better, rather than bitter. All that garbage about a professor is just a red herring across the trail.Who cares about the Prof that St Martinus does not like? St Martinus should seek to get on with the business of getting thier act together, rather than resort to confrontation by villification. And if they employ poor teachers then they should see that they should be held culpable for such a dirilection to doing due diligence on behalf of their students.


St Martinus continual deflection of accountability demonstrates that their is a great deal of truth in all the posts, and in the allegations levelled at them. All my posts report the plain truth . The authority in the statement of the facts indicates that I am both confident about the facts, and an eyewitness to the facts, or/and that my sources are eyewitness to the facts.

Smart doctor has repeatedly challenged everyone to come to St Martinus and see thier facilities first hand, because somehow St Martinus continues to believe that realestate is all that is needed to have a proper medical school.

The irony of it all is that wheras smart dr as moderator of the St Martinus forum allowed his pals to post nasty insults as he sought to defend his school is that he did not even graduate from the Basic Science program in the recent White Coat Ceremony there. Having spent a whole year there doing MD 5 and preparing for Step 1, he fled back to India.

If it is so good, why didnt he graduate?

This is the first time I have read your writings and supposedly warnings! I just have one question. I could ask milliards of questions just from your one posting but I really believe it would not make any difference. I have therefore chosen to ask only one and make a little comment, if I may.

Personally, I have attended a few interviews. And the interview panels may range from as few people as 3 or 5 to 6 or 7 people. How can a candidate being inteviewed tell from such small panels of interviewers to define the faculty population/size? Since you are advising everyone to look out for such a factor as they go for interviews..... I mean, even if you went to any university campus or faculty, How would you tell as a visitor, without being told or without reading from a university calendar (which of course will have been writen by the university itself), the size of any faculty? That is if you don't count them individually (sensus taking, which is not even one of your premises).

In another posting you wrote:
When he walks in the corridor, students run away, why? He stinks. His pheromones are very strong for all us to stay there, just run which ever way you find. Just kidding but it’s the truth.

In another post yet, you wrote:
If it is so good, why didnt he graduate?
Come on! Misspixie, it is absolutely unfair to call things good because you benefit from them. It takes a highly principled and morally honorable person to say " hey I screwed up, but that is a great place to be".

You can't call a university bad because you failed to graduate. In fact, bad universities give good grades to students who do not perform. The dean's office becomes a centre for social engineering. Those are bad universities. So If it is so good, why didnt he graduate? If it is true that he did not graduate, it is because he screwed up maybe? Therefore, if a student fails and still calls the university where he failed a great university, I would trust such a person than any kind of ranting voice trying to block a flowing river with hands.

Read my other POST entitled "Wisdom in Passing"

My father always said, " I will help you if you need my help".

Misspixie, you don't have to push your help on people, they will come to you if they need your help.

1st - Most interviews for island schools are over the phone with one person. 2nd - Misspixie left St M and is in clinicals with another school now. She left me some PM's about the school. Are they true or not - I don't know. Was about a year ago. I would do your research. Many of the newer schools on VMD have cheerleader posters. So I would be very careful. Very few students post on VMD after they go to these schools. Whereas students from Ross, AUC, AUA, SMU, MUA-N, Saba and SGU post the good the bad and the ugly. So you need to ask yourself why?

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Hey jameslynton, I really appreciate your comment.

And to a degree it does confirm what I wrote and even worse/better, whatever one may call it, that the interviews are conducted by phone. So, keeping one's eyes open on phone (as she puts it) would not make one observe anything at all.

The fact is, whether the students from these new schools post anything on VMD or not, it does not tell us anything at all. It leaves us in limbo wondering why. But intellectually speaking, one may not conclude that it is because there is nothing good to write about. Rather, it may be due to the fact that everyone at these schools is new therefore they need more time to learn about the schools before they go mouthing to the world misleading people. While at Ross, AUA, SMU, MUA-N, SABA and SGU, being older schools with some track record to show and having students who have been there long enough to know these schools as write something about them. And there are those students that just don't care whether they misinform people or not. They can just come back after misinformation and claim paradigm shift in the reality of things, so to speak--I find this problematic and deficient.

Let's remember that these: Ross, AUA, SMU, MUA-N, SABA and SGU were once new too. And let's remember what founders like Robert Ross is saying: Dr. Robert Ross - Founder of Ross University
It is important, specially for the "doctor to be" to demonstrate superior degree of maturity and analysis. And try to be pacimonious with language. Without being nasty, disagreeable and exaggerating.

I love the individual University Surveys, they are very informative and straight to a point. Why not use them? I really believe they can make a difference to many prospective students. Than "dump-on innuendo" and propaganda. Attacking new universities is absolutely ironical. It is because someone had to start anew and break away from the tradition and restrictive conventions that we are here as med students and docs. Without these new beginnings none of us would be here today. So why get sucked into traditionalism and status quo? Haven't this been the cause of our diaspora today?

Hey - first there is a very real risk in the unapproved island medicals schools. I would strongly suggest you visit any of the islands schools before you go. Just because they put a number on a website of a pass rate - that means nothing. Talk to current students.

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Doubt it, if their management maintains the same mentality as they do now.

I have to agree with this statement. They have neither the capital backing, teachers or infrastructure to become a power house school. If they don't have the infrastructure in progress now for five years from now - they are going no where. SGU, Ross & AUC took over 30ish years to get where they are. They all have a good solid building program adding more resources each year. I did not see that when I visited that school. Their location locks them in unless they move to a place outside of the city. AUA has purchased a lot and have a building plan on the island they are on. St James is also locked by location also.

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I have been accepted in St. Martinus school for Sep 2007. Can somone who is living there or lived there, please tell me, how is the life on the island, crime rate and choices of resturants.

How is the school and so far how many students ( roughly)have actually got residency in US in 2005-06

Regards
**** Hasan

The school is great, I go to Martinus and find that it is growing all the time, I believe it to be a wonderful school with great teachers, and for the previous post, martinus does have room to grow I dont know where you get the information that you so easily puke out and post on the Valuemd site but I guess it was info from a few years back, because the school is doing fine.

As for living on the island, I find it to be very nice, its safe, semiclean and everything you need you'll find. Food is great ... pizza, MC D's, KFC, Subway, no toco bell. Oh, bring your study cap, because you will be studing your butt off, most likley wont be going out to eat all the time, may even loose weight.
Anyway, do what ever you want, i dont care what you do or where you go to school. sorry
good luck to you, though!

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wassup guys!
I was wondering which student loans are the most popular in St. Martinus now? since Signature loan will not be offered by sallie Mae to St. Martinus any more.

I am attending St. martinus in Sep. I am looking forward to speak to previous students, current students, and students attending in Sep. Email me at: elkhaloui@gmail.com.