article on st. james "a hissing match on bonaire' - Page 3

AUCMD2006 · #21 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 11:42 AM

there is one source one reporter and az usually doesn't post opinions or promote the articles as fact...they are up there for all to view and form opinions...however if anyone has spent a few weeks researching caribbean or pseudo african brittish schools they know that the article is both pretty accurate and far to kind.....

OLDPRO · #22 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 12:53 PM

Bottom line is I think there is a lot of self interest in some of these "commitees" being set up to look into these schools. I think it is about doing what Microsoft doe's best.....squash all choice and competition.

azskeptic · #23 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whuds

Bottom line is I think there is a lot of self interest in some of these "commitees" being set up to look into these schools. I think it is about doing what Microsoft doe's best.....squash all choice and competition.

what is the payoff for committees asking for standards and equivalency? better education....i can see no money motive

Manny22 · #24 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgrady

i mean all u do is look for something bad about any medical school and then start chatting nonsense, when and where on EARTH are you gonna leave medical students in peace!

come on, i'm not at st. james but leave them alone!!! why are u scaring students like that? do u get paid for this(honestly)?

but, he's justified in doing so...think about it... remember when they used to put a certain bovine growth hormone in milk? [it was rejected by the canadian drug and food admin and banned in europe but they continued using it in the states]it caused the cows utters to pustulate and in that pus there was bacteria and specific antibodies that had the potential to confer resistance in the bacteria... i think a normal person has the ability to weigh the pros and cons for themselves when faced with alarming news... it's kind of naive to place ones hopes all on one school, this at least signals an alarm in the prospective student to do some research to see if this man is just blowing hot air or if his insight is grounded
oh yeah i forgot to mention that the pus got into the milk ... n people drank it...

OLDPRO · #25 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by azskeptic

what is the payoff for committees asking for standards and equivalency? better education....i can see no money motive

Come on! The pay off is that the other Schools will have students beating on their door to get in. They see the future of lower applications as the "other" schools keep taking the student pool from them. Also if they are in the front seat of the "commitee" it makes sure they don't get zapped by them. I say they are playing with fire.
Doctors are not made at the Basic Science level, its clinicals and residency. Basic Science is a lot of infomation to memorize and start to understand the connections by Step 1, Step 2 and 3 are during Clinicals and Residency.

azskeptic · #26 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Manny22

but, he's justified in doing so...think about it... remember when they used to put a certain bovine growth hormone in milk? [it was rejected by the canadian drug and food admin and banned in europe but they continued using it in the states]it caused the cows utters to pustulate and in that pus there was bacteria and specific antibodies that had the potential to confer resistance in the bacteria... i think a normal person has the ability to weigh the pros and cons for themselves when faced with alarming news... it's kind of naive to place ones hopes all on one school, this at least signals an alarm in the prospective student to do some research to see if this man is just blowing hot air or if his insight is grounded
oh yeah i forgot to mention that the pus got into the milk ... n people drank it...

If one rejects bad news routinely it leads to disaster. You have to learn to review and either reject or accept news/findings. I am not amused at students who immediately attack without looking at the information closely. It reminds me of the students at Kigezi, St. Luke,etc. who ended up being called 'former students of schools that closed'.

azskeptic · #27 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by whuds

Come on! The pay off is that the other Schools will have students beating on their door to get in. They see the future of lower applications as the "other" schools keep taking the student pool from them. Also if they are in the front seat of the "commitee" it makes sure they don't get zapped by them. I say they are playing with fire.
Doctors are not made at the Basic Science level, its clinicals and residency. Basic Science is a lot of infomation to memorize and start to understand the connections by Step 1, Step 2 and 3 are during Clinicals and Residency.

If a committee is formed by competitors it isn't a dependable 'credential evaluation' system. That is why organizations are empowered to evaluate schools,etc. Committees like you describe are not valid sources for govt. agencies....they must be professionally run.

Manny22 · #28 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by azskeptic

If one rejects bad news routinely it leads to disaster. You have to learn to review and either reject or accept news/findings. I am not amused at students who immediately attack without looking at the information closely. It reminds me of the students at Kigezi, St. Luke,etc. who ended up being called 'former students of schools that closed'.

it almost becomes a sort of fatal denial, all that's happening here though is the "let's shoot the messanger" dealy...it takes time to actually investigate cases of fraud, and it also takes time to investigate the validity of those cases- all i'm saying is do your homework... even if someone does your homework for you, at least look over the complied material and check it against a reliable source...now in this case... exactly which/what/who is the reliable source should be left up to the student?

OLDPRO · #29 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by azskeptic

If a committee is formed by competitors it isn't a dependable 'credential evaluation' system. That is why organizations are empowered to evaluate schools,etc. Committees like you describe are not valid sources for govt. agencies....they must be professionally run.

But the one article mentions the commitee set up by the "Big 3 Carribean schools" to over see the schools there. Isn't that self interest?
What about the States themslves and their rights to License? Are we going to take that away? Won't that be Unconstitional? And professional? Who would be making decisions about this? Appointed people? Political? You write government, so now you want more government to interfere with other countries?
Seems like a big can of worms to me.

azskeptic · #30 (**permalink**) 10-25-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whuds

But the one article mentions the commitee set up by the "Big 3 Carribean schools" to over see the schools there. Isn't that self interest?
What about the States themslves and their rights to License? Are we going to take that away? Won't that be Unconstitional?

Trust that credential evaluators will check to see if the 'oversight' committee is independent. In the absence of the oversight committee being arms length, it won't have much bearing.

whose constitution incidentally?

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