what does this have to do with maturity. throwing a insult at me wont change the facts. as far as your question about auc.......... my cousin graduated in 1982. i saw her class picture which had at least a hundred or so people in it. all graduated and entering residency. lets forget the ones already in residency from the couple of semesters before her. all this after 4 years of existence. she is a pediatric allergist in new york (long island to be exact). my father graduated class of 1986 and was offered a nephrology fellowship but decided IM was for him. he is practicing in florida after moving from new york.

so, auc was quite impressive in the early 80's.

next question?

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When will you grow up? What were the facilities like in the early 80's? How many generators and desalination plants did AUC have in the early 80's? In 1982 you say that your sisters class had 100 or so students, ALL graduated and ALL entered residency? That is very impressive by any schools standards....

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it was my cousin. i dont know what the entering class was. im sure some failed out. the "ALL" that i was refering to was those in the picture.
the point of that reference was that they were only 4 years old and had hundreds in residency already.

now ill give you that there were no generators. there was not even hot water in the dorms. my father said that he would have to fill up a huge bag of water and let it sit on the balcony over the course of the day so it would be nice and warm to shower with. they also had only about 3 cadavers for a class around 180.

yes the amenities stunk back then. but im measuring the schools success by producing many doctors. as you can see, auc was up to par with that very early in its life.

if you think that me questioning the value and success of st james is immature, then im sorry for you. its called being REALISTIC.

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I think saying that SJSM should provide their own electricity is very immature. I think saying 3rd world country and 3rd world education is immature. Don't feel sorry for me. I'm aight. Imagine if the first few classes in AUC (including your cousin and dad) listened to people like you because the facilities and services of the island were not up to "par" according to US standards. The world would be missin out on some great doctors (again that may include your cousin and dad). You see what I mean when I say you need to grow up. Thinking before you let loose at the mouth is important. Know what I mean....

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ok......... since all you do is insult, ill put it in other terms for you reminscent of jerry mcguire.

SHOW ME THE RESIDENT GRADS.

respect who.......you? i never disrespected you or called you any names.

there is such a thing as facilities and a proven educational success. auc had one of them back them.

for st james' case, the education is not proved. in this day and age, facilities are more and more important then they were back then.

keep denying it ronny boy.

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There is no doubt that all schools need to start somewhere. They are obviously not going to start at the top of the game. We have to watch and wait. Complaining that there are no licensed grads when the school has yet to be around long enough to produce any is not really logical. Let's wait and see what happens. Of course absurd claims and questionable practices are still fair game. G

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many schools have thier own generators actually

ls wiltshire is in good health --dont worry

not so the many faculty at sjms who are applying for jobs all over the carribean

want me list the names?

ls wiltshire went to a school accepted in all 50 states

where the facilities are good

ls wiltshire can talk the talk because he walked the walk

how does ls wiltshire stay in antigua and know what is going on in bonaire so acurately

you cant deny the facts so you try to attack lsw but lsw is laffing at you

wow it is interesting when u go through this entire topic links and see how the topic changed from an important discussion to a completely useless one....the number of residencies out there from this school was a very good point...and one the school official should be able to answer and provide stats....now i don't understand how the topic turned and came to discussing about electricity now.....this was clearly the fault of the island gov...they should have been wise and not tried to be cheap and blow up those generators......now back to the topic...i guess if u guys need to discuss about something important....it would be best if u discuss the most important issue to hit sjsm now...that is the loans...i am sure u all are aware of the key bank decission by now.....find out wut the school is doing with respect to that....and find out wut other schools are doing.....if the loan situation is not resolved...all these carib schools are done for......that is the reality out there now....

In an ideal world, yes, this is a fair comparison. But in today's climate, this is not a realistic comparison. Mind you, I am not going to get into discussions about electricity and such, we're talking about it in general. Many new schools nowadays say that they are compariable to the established schools in their infancies 25 years ago. While this may be true, unfortunately the political climates have changed and we are not in the 1980's anymore. Nowadays, the buzz word is accreditation and regulation. And the fact is, new schools nowadays DO NOT have 25 years to play catch up. In fact, there is a very good chance that if new schools do not meet some sort of LCME-style standard in the next few years, it will have survival problems as FSMB's position statements get implemented state by state. Or, if ECFMG decides to stop issuing it's certificates to schools that do not meet FSMB's guidelines overnight... So, bringing up how new schools compare with established schools 25 years ago is really silly and moot in today's climate. You simply do not have the time frame anymore...

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I always enjoy hearing from you Picard, because I know I will get intelligent conversation. In these days newer schools coming up have to get on the ball much earlier, I must agree with you there. However, when I was talking about electricity and such things with Scott1981, I was making these comparisons in order to make a point about the amount of time needed to get a school physically into tip-top shape, especially while operating out of a less deveoped island. I hardly think that is a silly (nor moot) point. As far as the new schools in general and the possible LCME-style standards going into effect, that is something that all of the "newer" less established schools have to be aware of right now and start working on, RIGHT NOW. SJSM not excluded. It is up to the school administrators, the CEO in particular, to make sure that the school is in peak shape in every aspect (professors, facilities etc.). SJSM has been making a name for itself (no matter how many people try to bash the school) and has been growing rapidly. Newer facilities recently acquired are still being worked on (and yes it has a generator) and the professors that we have here now are pretty good. So like I said, the school is moving ahead very well and when (or if) these standards go into play, SJSM should be well prepared to meet them because SJSM (and other newer schools) have been "forewarned". SJSM would NOT be prepared at the moment to meet all of these standards (how ever many that may go into effect) if implemented today because the school still has A LOT of work to do. But with continued growth and a little more time, soon should be more prepared. Once again, thank you Picard for the intelligent comments, keep them coming!

And to just iswiltshire aka Mr. B.,
Yes I know you graduated from a school that is approved in all 50 states, everyone here on the island knows that because you bragged about it all the time when you were our professor. The fact remains you are NOT practicing in ANY of the 50 states at the moment and you have gotten fired from every Caribbean job you had teaching. You can talk the talk but you definitely can't walk the walk. So point the finger all you want because when you do, you have 3 pointing back at you... If you want a truce between us iswiltshire, don't bash SJSM and I won't bash you...I think that is fair enough. PEACE...

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