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    Very bad news!!!! Did you know that.....

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    "In compliance with Regulation 3 of the Arkansas State Medical Board, the following is a list of disapproved international medical schools as voted at the June 5/6, 2008 meeting of the Arkansas State Medical Board. Graduates from these medical schools will not be able to receive a license in the state of Arkansas."

    uams.edu/jei/students/policy_benefits.asp


    Country
    Name of School



    Antigua & Barbuda
    University of Health Sciences
    Antigua & Barbuda
    American University of Antigua
    Aruba
    All Saints University School of Medicine
    Aruba
    Xavier University School of Medicine
    Belize
    St. Matthew’s University
    Belize
    Grace University
    Belize
    Central American Health Sciences University
    Belize
    Medical University of the Americas
    Belize
    St. Luke’s University
    Belize
    Interamerican Medical University
    Belize
    Hope University School of Medicine
    Belize
    American Global University School of Medicine
    Cayman Islands
    St. Matthew’s University (Grand Cayman)
    Costa Rica
    Universidad de Iberomerica (UNIBE)
    Costa Rica
    Universidad Hispanoamericana
    Costa Rica
    Colegio Universitario San Judas Tadeo
    Costa Rica
    Universidad Latina de Costa Rica
    Costa Rica
    Universidad Autonoma de Centro America
    Costa Rica
    Universidad Internacional de las Americas
    Dominica
    All Saints University of Medicine
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Tecnologica de Santiago, Santiago Campus (UTESA)
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Tecnologica de Santiago, Santa Domingo Campus (UTESA)
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad C.I.F.A.S.
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Internacional Eugenio Maria de Hostos
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Eugenio Maria de Hostos
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad C.E.T.E.C.
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Mundial Dominican
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Federico Henriquez y Carvajal (UFHEC)
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Nacional Pedro Henriquez Urena (UNPHU)
    Dominican Republic
    Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre Y Maestra (PUCMM)
    Dominican Republic
    Universidad Iberomericana, Santo Domingo
    Dominican Republic
    Uniersidad Catolica Tecnological Del Ciabo (UCTECI)
    Mexico
    Universidad Mexico American De. Norte
    Montserrat
    Seoul Central College of Medicine
    Montserrat
    University of Science, Arts, & Technology (USAT)
    Netherlands Antilles
    University of Sint Eustatius
    Netherlands Antilles
    St. James School of Medicine
    Netherlands Antilles
    St. Martinus University Faculty of Medicine
    Netherlands Antilles
    Xavier University School of Medicine
    Saint Kits & Nevis
    International University of the Health Sciences (IUHS)
    Saint Kits & Nevis
    Medical University of the Americas
    Saint Kits & Nevis
    Windsor University
    Saint Kits & Nevis
    Milik University
    Saint Kits & Nevis
    Saint Teresa’s Medical University
    Saint Kits & Nevis
    Grace University
    Saint Lucia
    Spartan Health Sciences University
    Saint Lucia
    College of Medicine and Health Sciences
    Saint Lucia
    St. Mary’s School of Medicine
    Saint Lucia
    International American University
    Saint Lucia
    American International Medical Uniersity
    Saint Vincent & the Grenadines
    Kingstown Medical College
    Senegal
    St. Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine
    Uganda
    Kigezi International School of Medicine


    I am premed and I have been researching MD schools in US and international. I came across this while researching schools. I also learned during me research that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Majority of states are going to follow AR in not permitting IMGs from being licensed in their states who graduate from certain schools. Sorry to be bearer of bad news.

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    This is why cali approval is so important. Ah well, there's always Florida, New York, New Jersey and Maine . Could you please put the link showing that more states will be following the cali list?
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    Again here we go, this was altered context here

    this is the original statement:

    POLICY
    In compliance with Regulation 3 of the Arkansas State Medical Board, the following is a list of disapproved international medical schools as voted at the June 5/6, 2008 meeting of the Arkansas State Medical Board. Graduates from these medical schools will not be able to receive a license in the state of Arkansas.
    The University of Arkansas, College of Medicine will not accept residents or fellows from these institutions after August 1, 2008.
    This is about a residency and not from the real state Board, in fact I cannot even find the board rule to back this up. so if its real why can we not see it? Is it misinterpreted? How do we know for sure?

    this site quoted is not the board or the state:

    Ophthalmology Departmental Policies And Benefits :: Information for Students and Residents :: Jones Eye Institute :: UAMS

    Also the list is comprehensive as far as every school other then the California approved schools

    So it may not be legal since Arkansas has not reviewed the schools.

    Who cares about Arkansas anyway? Also Dr. Ross's new school is on the list guess he will fight it huh?
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    2 questions

    1) Why is it always newbies that post negative statements?
    2) Does anyone really care about practicing in arkansas?

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    arkansas is where real americans live.
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    Arkansas was my state.

    Physician Questions Medical Board's Blacklisting School on Arkansas Medical News Inc.

    I now cannot practice there. Why does AR continue to humiliate itself by continuing to be so ignorant. A state that has hospitals closing because they have no doctor - trying to raise funds to increase the size of the medical class (only one medical school in state) to increase the number of specialist. A very small percentage of people graduating from US schools go into family medicine. Arkansas has truly cut their nose off to spite their face. I think this was done by a couple of people that wanted to target a few people. After you pass USMLE steps, go through a 3 year residency program and pass the boards then each state should look at your credentials. You cannot get through residency and pass the boards without some level of competence.


    The problem is many people don't want to practice there and I can accept that. I wanted the option to.

    It could be the state you are interested in next - who knows.

    You really don't want this to be a trend among state medical boards.
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    This is just plain stupid, the article above says that the approval process is expensive and time intensive and that "Bill Trice, the attorney for the state Medical Board, said that it's important that the state have a consistent method of certifying medical schools in order to be fair to the medical profession and to potential students. He said legitimate medical schools should consider California's certification fees to be part of the cost of doing business. "I can't imagine not being credentialed if your purpose is to turn out students who can go work,".

    Here's my problem with this; the "great state of Arkansas expect med schools to go through a rigorous process and pay possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars to become certified in another state, so that they don't have to invest time and money to investigate the schools themselves.
    This is bureaucracy at its best. In order to correct a problem, lets adopt the jam a square peg in a round home mentality, adopt the guidelines of another state (cause medical guidelines are like thrift store one size fits all T-shirts) and what works in one of the worlds largest economies must work in a place like AR. Here is where they go wrong. By adopting California's process, they are essentially putting themselves on the same level as CA. What they don't seem to understand, however, is that they are not CA. Who wants to go to AR?! I think that like myself, most people, given the option between AR and say, CA would choose the latter.
    I would hope that legislators and board members at other states are not as blind to the realities of the medical drama unfolding before their eyes. I imagine that in 5 or 10 years when the shortage of physicians in AR becomes great enough they may repeal this decision.
    For now, I will rest easy knowing that the only other states other than CA that have adopted this rule seem to be dust bowl states where it seems that no one needs a doctor and AR where a bottle of moonshine is preferred to a doctor any day. On the other hand, I always have the option of practicing in Australia where they clearly see the shortage of physicians and welcome foreign medical graduate with open arms.

    Coincidentally, if you really want to stick it to the politicians who make these decisions and practice in these states (weather they like it or not); sign up with the VA. Since you will be employed by the federal government, all you need is an active license in any state (that's right any state) and you can practice in CA, or AR. Why?" because 9 times out of ten the hospital or clinic you will be working at is federal land and there's nothing the state can do about it. Know what else? Competitive salaries, short term (as little as one year) contracts, government benefits and retirement after 20 years if you sign long term contracts. Some docs (if you work on a military base) even get to shop at the base PX and pay less for everything they need.
    So really, there's no need to fret. If you really have an itch to work in AR, then sign a one year contract with the VA, move there and see how long before you get tired of stitching up people who went blind from drinking moonshine and shot themselves in the foot with their shotgun.

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    I definitely have to agree with aehssani here.

    The case with working for the VA is definitely a lot better if you're going to work in the south. The VA pays you the doctor based on a national scale, hence paying you based off the national average. However, many hospitals in southern states only pay you based on the statewide scale, hence base your salary off the statewide average.

    The averages come in to play here because if you work for a private hospital say Value Hospital versus VA, you'll end up getting paid more at the VA in Florida. I've heard from a friend who's in residency in the VA in FL at the moment, that this holds true for most of the southern states, since they pay less on average when compared to other states. And his ONLY reason for choosing the VA is because he gets paid MORE there than the local private hospital.

    Damn, now I feel discombobulated. Crap, haha.

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    Its funny with the VA, most physician's don't want to practice for the VS because there seems to be some type of stigma hanging over their head. Point is, in order for the VA to compete with private and state hospitals, they often pay above average salaries to recruit physicians. You get your 30 days sometimes more of vacation per year, and unlike private hospitals, you don't need to deal with hassles when taking vacation. Similar to the military, they view your vacation as a right granted to you in your contract and will make coverage available when you apply for your vacation. I find the benefits they offer very attractive and as a former military service member, I can apply my previous service and time in the VA towards my retirement with the federal government.

    On top of that, I can practice in CA, which is not all that bad and I can avoid the licensing hassles I would have to deal with if I wanted to practice there privately or through the state.

    As far as I'm concerned, who cares about the CA board decision or which state follows it. The VA system essentially turns their ruling into Swiss cheese, and that works for me.

    So stop worrying about which state has arbitrarily blacklisted Caribbean medical schools because they are to lazy, ignorant and narrow minded to do the research themselves.

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    It is on the Arkansas Medical Board website NOW.

    I guess one could file a lawsuit. A medical license is a privilege and not a right. I called the Medical Board and it was told to me first hand. The list of dissapproved schools are not fully listed.



    Quote Originally Posted by MYMD View Post
    Again here we go, this was altered context here

    this is the original statement:

    This is about a residency and not from the real state Board, in fact I cannot even find the board rule to back this up. so if its real why can we not see it? Is it misinterpreted? How do we know for sure?

    this site quoted is not the board or the state:

    Ophthalmology Departmental Policies And Benefits :: Information for Students and Residents :: Jones Eye Institute :: UAMS

    Also the list is comprehensive as far as every school other then the California approved schools

    So it may not be legal since Arkansas has not reviewed the schools.

    Who cares about Arkansas anyway? Also Dr. Ross's new school is on the list guess he will fight it huh?
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