hi, people.

i am just wondering why you didn't choose ross? they are about the same, but sgu is much expernsive. so how come you did not pick ross? I know that sgu has a better reputations, but it all depends on the invidual's effect.

How much is Ross ? Thanks

Allison

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_School/WaysAndMeans.pdf

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_Schoo...cial_info.html


COST OF ATTENDANCE

For entering Medical students, the Cost of Attendance for two semesters beginning January 2002 is comprised of the
following:
Tuition & Fees $18,350
Books/Supplies 1,700**
Living Expenses (Room & Board) 7,800
Transportation 1,550***
Personal Expenses 2,750
Health Insurance 450
Loan Guarantee/Orig. Fee (3%) 555
Estimated Total: $33,155
*Tuition above is based upon registration of 12 credits or more each semester for two semesters
and includes the Student Government fee
**Books and Supply costs will vary depending upon year
***Estimate includes round trip travel from New York and local travel expenses
Costs are estimated and are subject to change without notice.



Tuition
Basic Science segment:
Tuition: all full-time students (12 or more credits)

$ 9,600/semester

Students are also assessed a mandatory Student Government Association fee of $40/semester.

Clinical Science segment:
Tuition:

$ 10,525/semester

__________________
"Always look on the bright side of life, always look on the light side of life...what do you have to lose nothing because you come from nothing and you will end up in nothing..."

I am going to Vet med but anyways this info might help you since i did the research for you!

In my opinion!
1. SGU is has better history
2. SGU is investing money on its campus to make it as tech advance as int he US.
3. YOUR ARE OUT OF THE Hurricane Belt!
4. The campus is more appealing to the Eye.
5. The school is not owned by some private company.
6. in vet med at Ross if you fail a class you fail the semmester you get to repeat everyhting again and pay the full amount.
7. At SGU they have A, B, C, D, F they dont skip the D! OOOPS!
8. The Island is bigger and more americanized than Ross.
9. They have dorms you can live on make life a little bit eassier when you end up having a tought sem. and do not want to travel back and forth from your house.
10. Its simply a better school! You can compare schools by $$ but might as well get the best education for the $$!!! right???
Hope this helps!
I saw SGU Vet med and Ross Vet med and in my opinion ill go to SGU with my eyes closed!



ROss
Evaluation and Grades
Courses in the Basic Science Segment are graded Pass, A, B, C, or F. The passing grade in all courses in the Segment is B; C is marginally passing, and F is a failing grade. Students should aim to maintain a B average during the Basic Science Segment. This predicts high passing rates and high scores on the USMLE I.

During the Clinical Science Segment, students are evaluated on a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is failing, and 5 is excellent. Evaluations during the Clinical Science Segment include an assessment not only of the student's fund of knowledge and ability to apply it to clinical problems, but also of those characteristics considered desirable in a good physician. These characteristics include problem-solving ability; industry; reliability; judgement; interpersonal relations with peers, patients, and staff; professional skills (history taking and patient examination); and motivation. At the conclusion of each core clerkship, a final exam is given; it is administered at the hospital training site.


Ross Curriculum

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_Schoo...urriculum.html

The degree Doctor of Medicine is awarded upon the successful completion of the Basic Science Curriculum, the Clinical Science Curriculum, the U.S. Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE), Steps I and II, and the Clinical Skills Assessment (CSA). The entire M.D. program consists of ten 15-week semesters (150 weeks).

The Basic Science Segment, conducted in Dominica, consists of 60 credits of specifically prescribed coursework and the NBME Basic Sciences Comprehensive Examination. There are four semesters of Basic Science classes, for a total of two academic years. All Basic Science coursework is offered on the School of Medicine campus (located at Portsmouth, in the Commonwealth of Dominica) and must be satisfactorily completed there. Students are eligible for licensure in the United States as long as they do not deviate from these standards.

The Clinical Science Curriculum, conducted in the U.S., consists of 90 weeks of clinical training. It begins with an introductory clinical segment of 9 weeks, the "Advanced Introduction to Clinical Medicine." This clinical experience is designed to build on the students' training in medical history and physical diagnostic skills, as well as the students' approach to the patient. It is conducted in hospitals and related clinical facilities in the Miami area.

The remaining 81 weeks consist of 48 weeks of required ("core") clerkships and 33 weeks of elective or restricted elective clerkships as described in the Catalog. During this time, the student participates in patient care while rotating through various medical specialties in affiliated teaching hospitals and other approved health care facilities in the United States.

Academic Calendar
See Academic Calendar page for schedule of classes.

BASIC SCIENCE CURRICULUM
(Effective September, 2002)
The curriculum for the four- semester program is structured as follows:


Semester Number Title of Course Credit
Hours Total
Credits
I
MANT 1110
Developmental & Microscopic Anatomy/Cell
4



MBIO 1125
Biochemistry
5



MBIO 1135
Medical Genetics
3



MBEH 1130
Doctor-Patient-Society
3
15







II
MPHY 1220
Neuroscience
4



MPHY 11230
Medical Physiology
6



MANT 1210
Gross Anatomy
5
15







III
MBEH 2330
Behavior Science
5



MPAT 2320
Pathology I
5



MMIC 2310
Microbiology & Immunology
5
15







IV
MPAT 2420
Pathology II
5



MPHM 2410
Medical Pharmacology
5



MCLM 2430
Introduction to Clinical Medicine
5
15







V
MCLM 2550
Basic Medical Science Integration *
10
10



Credits per semester

15



Total

60



CLINICAL SCIENCE CURRICULUM
(Effective January 2001)
The curriculum for six semesters is structured as follows:

Semester Title of Course Credit Hours
V
Advanced Introduction to Clinical Medicine
9

VI-VIII
Clinical Core Rotations (Medicine, Surgery, Pediatrics, Psychiatry, Obstetrics/Gynecology, Family Medicine)
48

IX-X
Clinical Electives
33


Total
90


SGU Curriculum

http://www.sgu.edu/nhome.nsf/webcont...cument&top=med

Academic Year Structure The medical program is completed in less than four years that are divided into five academic years of 30-32 weeks in length.

The curriculum comprises 157 weeks of instructional time. The Basic Science Program is 6 terms (1-6), for a total of 77 weeks,
the Clinical Science Program is 5 terms (7 -11) for a total of 80 weeks.


Basic Science Program

1st Academic Year

Term 1 (17 weeks)

Gross Anatomy
Embryology
Histology
Biochemistry
Clinical Skills

6 credits
2 credits
4 credits
6 credits
*cc
Term 2 ( 18 weeks)

Neuroscience
Genetics
Immunology
Physiology
Clinical Skills
Parasitology

5 credits
1 credit
2 credits
5 credits
2 credits
1 credit



Basic Science Comprehensive Examination I

2nd Academic Year

Term 3 ( 6 weeks)

Behavioral Science
Biostatistics & Public Health
Jurisprudence &
Medical Ethics


3 credits
2 credits

1 credit Term 4 ( 18 weeks)

Microbiology
Adv. Clinical Skills
Pathology
Basic & Clinical Nutrition

5 credits
*cc
13 credits
1 credit


Term 5 ( 6 Weeks)
Pathophysiology
Pharmacology I
Adv. Clinical Skills 4 credits
2 credits
*cc


3rd Adademic Year
Term 6 (6 weeks)

Pathophysiology II
Pharmacology II
Adv. Clinical Skills

10 credits
4 credits
4 credits

Term 7 ( 18 weeks)


Clinical Science Program
(See chart below)


4th Academic Year

Term 8 (15 weeks)



Clinical Science Program
(See chart below)


Term 9 ( 16 weeks)

Clinical Science Program
(See chart below)


5th Academic Year
Term 10 (15 weeks)
Clinical Science Program
(See chart below)
Term 11 ( 16 weeks)

Clinical Science Program
(See chart below)


Terms 1-6 Basic Science program Terms 7-11 Clinical Science Program


* cc indicates a continuing course. The grades and credit for Clinical Skills courses
are awarded at the end if term in which the coursework is completed





Clinical Science Program*
80 Weeks

Core Clerkship Years



Medicine
Surgery
Pediatrics
Obstetrics/Gynecology
Psychiatry

12 weeks
12 weeks
6 weeks
6 weeks
6 weeks


Senior Year



Medicine Sub-internships
Medicine Selective**
Pediatric SubI/Selective***
Primary Care ****
Electives

4 weeks
4 weeks
4 weeks
4 weeks
22 weeks

Recommended elective rotations include
Neurology, Emergency Medicine, Intensive Care Medicine.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


** Additional medicine sub-internship, neurology, emergency medicine, radiology, geriatrics, ICU/CCU, or dermatology.

*** or pediatric outpatient rotation, pediatric emergency medicine, elective in pediatric infectious disease, developmental pediatrics, pediatric neurology, pediatric radiology, pediatric pulmonary. (additional responsibility with night calls mandatory.)

****based in family practice, emergency medicine, or outpatient experience in general medicine, general pediatrics, or general obstetrics/gynecology.

* This listing does not indicate the sequence of courses. In general, students should complete their core rotations before doing additional required electives.

__________________
"Always look on the bright side of life, always look on the light side of life...what do you have to lose nothing because you come from nothing and you will end up in nothing..."

Having recently gone through the whole match ordeal I am very thankful I went to SGU and not Ross. No matter what people tell you as an IMG you need every ounce of help you can get and I was really pleased to see that SGU students are lumped in with the mid-lower tier US students and not with the Ross/Guad/Saba/AUC/etc. applicant pool. Having interviewed (and matched) for anesthesia this year I saw only 2 ross students at my interviews, both of whom had graduated last year not having matched gas and were re-applying this year. On the flip side I met over a dozen SGU students at my interviews and we were often times the most represented school at these interviews.

Bottom line.. and I know I am going to piss of some ross students.. there is a clear disctinction between SGU and every other off shore school. The only school that equals or beats SGU is Sackler in Telaviv, but they carry most of their strength in the northeast and are not very well known anywhere else. If all you are interested in is getting an MD and saving some money there are even cheaper schools than ross that will get you there. One other option to also consider is going to a good DO school.

You have secured a great residency, but you don’t seem to know much about Ross and their graduates.

Here are some placements taken from both Ross and SGU web sites:

2002 match

Ross
Anesthesiology 12
Emergency Med 3
Urology 0
Ortho Surgery 1
Neurology 4
Surgery-p/ Neuro 1
Pathology 2
Neuropathology 0

SGU
Anesthesiology 4
Emergency Med 12
Urology 1
Ortho Surgery 0
Neurology 0
Surgery-p/ Neuro 0
Pathology 3
Neuropathology 3

What it really looks like is that there isn’t much difference between the two schools. Most people would agree that SGU puts more money into the physical appearance of the school, and some, most likely SGU students and grads, may even say overall it is rated slightly higher, but to say it is looked at as one tier higher is ridiculous. If so, how do you explain these numbers? Also you stated you did not see many Ross students at interviews, but they landed more Anesthesiology slots than SGU. I think SGU is a good school but you need to get your head out of the clouds.

Sorry but those stats are incorrect. SGU office staff makes no effort to create an accurate match list. I personally know 8 people from 2002 class that matched anesthesia, none of which are mentioned on the match list. Its easy to throw numbers out there but how about institution names? % of university programs? prelim vs. categorical spots? and how do I know SGU is 1 tier higher.. that comes straight from a dozen PD's and chairmen that I met during my interviews. Lots of people want to think that 'an fmg is an fmg' but after going through the match ordeal this year I will never be convinced of it. I also had the pleasure of rotating with many ross students as a 3rd year and not 1 of them would even consider stating that ross was a better school or even the same as sgu. All i heard was lots of stories about 'i didnt get into sgu', 'sgu was too expensive', or 'i missed the sgu application deadline'. I also heard lots of stories about how dominica sucks, cut-throat classmates, and rotation nightmares - being shipped from on hospital to the next and often being placed in non-acgme rotations. One girl I met in my OB rotation from ross had to take her psych rotation twice because nobody at ross bothered to mention that she was being placed in a non-acgme psych rotation and she was afraid of having licensing problems down the road. Sorry to burst your bubble my friend but facts are facts.

First there is no bubble to burst, what I said was SGU is a better school. I just don’t agree on how much better. I have talked to three PD’s, one in EM, one in OB, and one in Optho. All of these programs are in Newark NJ. They all said the same thing; not all IMG’s are the same, but when asked how they would compare Ross to SGU, the said SGU was a better school, but if all things were equal they would choose based on whom they liked not the school. Also I have three physicians in my family, one in Internal, one in Cardio, and one in OB, when I asked them which school they thought was better they all said “never heard of either”. You see I have been researching both school for a while and I am having a hard time deciding. I am not trying to start an argument, but I don’t believe that Ross is in the same category as SABA. Also there are some matches that Ross students received that are not on the list, like RAD. So what is the point of all of this, Ross is a decent school that if you do well in and do well on the step I one you will have a good chance getting the residency you want. As for the negative things about Ross, I don’t know about those things, but they were never the topic.

ms4sgu

"I got my clinical placement at Brookedale in Brookyln. Can any one tell me about the hospital or if they rotated through it what it was like?

Hummm…. Does this sound familiar? I wonder how someone just starting their clinical rotations could have been on “dozens” of interviews. Stop lying to prospective students!

what an idiot. I suggest you familiarize yourself with posting formats, quoting posts, and maybe reconsider your career choice. I hear the post office is hiring.