consider it done

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Awesome! Now you should delete your post so no one else can find out...heheheh

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This might be of use -

http://www.aamc.org/workforce/helpwanted.pdf

Non US citizens are doomed. "Cleaning toilets/driving taxis" ?

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One way or the other...an FMG i shall stay.
“The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails.” -
William A. Ward

hence the reason there is a call for a 30% increase in US graduates...unfortunately that call does not also request a 30% increase in residency spots (hopefully the bill proposed this year for an increase in residency spots will be passed), and in the end IF there is no sizable increase in residency spots, then there will be almost 20,000 US seniors in 2015 applying for the some 25,000 residency spots...leaving ~5000 spots for all the other independent applicants...now sure some US seniors go unmatched, but the % of matched US seniors as always been around 95-97%...not likely to change. And of course IMGs and even FMGs do get spots over a US senior, but the most of those 5000 spots will go to IMGs and Dos...people who have no visa issue...because let's face it you have to equal candidates and one needs visa sponsorship and the other does not...guess which one will get the spot? its just the way it works...

go look at the nrmp stats for the last few years for FMGs, even for the IMGs...the numbers are decreasing year by year and the match rate for FMGs was <50%...and its just going to get worse, now that the UK isn't allowing non UK grads and citizens from training there...all those indian docs that applied to UK programs are starting to apply here...and even with those double 99s, they are having problems getting spots...if you are from a non domicled school AND an non US citizen or GC holder, it will definitely be a real uphill battle...


and yes, there are PhDs that are working at the mickey dees...the US, contrary to popular international belief does NOT have roads paved in gold...opportunity is not always here...companies are bankrupt, asking for gov't bailouts and people are losing their jobs, homes, pensions, etc...is it a guarantee that if you get an MD degree that there will be a job for you? no...there isn't a guarantee if you are a US citizen that if you get an MD you will have a job, much less as a foreigner....

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Yes, no doubt it will be an uphill battle. These changes would be effective 2015, and the 5000+ applicants would sit for the match in 2019. You mentioned the change will be effective 2012 ? That will make life harder for those of us just entering in 2010. I hope residency spots in primary care atleast are increased in the years to come.

Makes me wonder, then, what can the options be for Non US citizens who want to be licensed in the US ? There is no way we would be better than AMGs or DOs. Non US citizens would be showed the door if a citizen (even with lower scores) from a foreign school comes around. But wouldn't a Non US citizen coming from SGU be slightly better equipped than a Non US IMG from an alien medical school ? Some of the IMGs have just a month or so of hands on clinical experience. Some not even that. ( Atleast some of the PDs would have heard of SGU )

US MD schools outrightly reject Non US citizens, even with competitive stats. And the ones that are accepted, are expected to pay the entire tuition upfront. Ouch.

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One way or the other...an FMG i shall stay.
“The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails.” -
William A. Ward

the full 30% increase would be in effect by 2015, but schools have already increased their class sizes in the last few years and there have been something like 4 new schools opened in the last few years with at least 3 schools that i know that are set to take their 1st class in 2010...with their 1st class graduating in 2014...

and as for a non US sgu grad being seen as a better candidate than another foreign med school...well it depends on the school...a grad from a domiclied foreign school will probably be looked upon better than one from an offshore school...sgu included...after all those accepted to their domiciled school are the best and the brightest of their country...and to get high scores on top of that?? well those are particualrly bright FMGs...they are you you will be competing against, not the US seniors or the IMGs...you will have to stand out...

and US meds schools are there to educate, well mericans...IMHO they shouldn't take any foreign students...there are PLENTY of qualified US citizens for those spots (if that wasn't the case then offshore school wouldn't exist to begin with...).

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Not true. Only if you make it to a government run medical school are you the "brightest and best". Even then there is boatloads of corruption and foulplay which are involved. Private colleges are a joke. No real talent comes out from them. Step scores will be the only influencing factor.

I see. Well medical school here is not an option. It's now 6.5 years long and not too many of my age enter 1st year. All I can do as of now, is to study hard and get the scores hopefuly. Rest will be decided in due course of time. So, study study study!

Yes, no doubt, MOST US MD schools don't take international students. (Your schools, your rules). Many don't even let you apply if you haven't done some sort of course work at an accredited university. That, I am aware of.

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One way or the other...an FMG i shall stay.
“The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails.” -
William A. Ward

not true. there are some that do.

ok... RE: the OP. I am in the same situation (on a priority waitlist for Aug '09 but accepted for Jan '10). I'm not certain whether or not I should just wait it out, or just go to Ross where I've been accepted for Aug '09. I prefer SGU to Ross, but I kind of want to just get started (especially if there's no really appreciable difference between the qualities of education at either institution)...

I really think you should wait for sgu. It's a much safer choice.

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