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Old 03-28-2006, 05:35 PM
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Those are good questions, and medguy raised a good question too. Dr.B also raised a good question on the identical thread in the SC forum (maybe they should be merged) where he asked what type of precedent this would set for the future.

If other Caribbean schools go under in the future (and that is inevitable because SC is not the first) those students will ask SGU to take them in. One of two things will happen: SGU will take them in because of this precedent, or will choose not to. But if they don't take them in, SGU will have to explain to those students how their situation is different than SC and what standard differentiates them. Or, they could just judge on a case-by-case basis and say 'there's no space at this time', but these are interesting questions.
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Old 03-28-2006, 05:57 PM
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The comparison of this event to natural disasters is not really a good one, because these events were controlled entirely by human decisions, so it's different than a tragic 'act of God'. A better comparison is a person who has bad credit and can't get a bank loan to buy their dream home, so out of desperation they borrow from loan sharks or a shady firm operating out of Nigeria, and they end up getting swindled in the process.

There has to be some type of learning curve that comes out of this where future prospective students should learn from this example, because its not quite the same as someone being struck by lightning.
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The comparison of this event to natural disasters is not really a good one, because these events were controlled entirely by human decisions, so it's different than a tragic 'act of God'. A better comparison is a person who has bad credit and can't get a bank loan to buy their dream home, so out of desperation they borrow from loan sharks or a shady firm operating out of Nigeria, and they end up getting swindled in the process.

There has to be some type of learning curve that comes out of this where future prospective students should learn from this example, because its not quite the same as someone being struck by lightning.
Problem is everyone knows about loan sharks ( well I think there are legal ones Can't name names here ) but when it comes to education one does not expect such behavior, you go to a college you expect them to be providing an education, okay they did that but they lied to everyone about something that had little to do with the education (product) that was given out to the students, they were in class with bonafide professors, some had taught at the big 4 before, but the lie had to do with the country that was supposed to be the backer of the college. As I said if there are organizations that list the backers (charter countries) and the list is not kept accurate but it is the accepted way to know there is a charter then how do you fault everyone that went to the college?

I don't get this blame the students stuff have no pity, many did not know. I became aware myself that the problems were real as did most back in Novemember.
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Old 03-28-2006, 06:28 PM
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I understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying students deserve to be blamed (entirely). But if anything this should serve as an example for future students, so that the signs of a shady medical school become just as familiar and recognizable as other well known shady institutions like loan sharks, Nigerian money scams, pyramid chain letters, etc.
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Old 03-28-2006, 07:08 PM
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They can ask, but SGU is under no obligation as far as I'm concerned. They don't owe anyone an explanation and like you said, they can do so case-by-case. If there's no room, then there's no room.
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I understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying students deserve to be blamed (entirely). But if anything this should serve as an example for future students, so that the signs of a shady medical school become just as familiar and recognizable as other well known shady institutions like loan sharks, Nigerian money scams, pyramid chain letters, etc.
Oh yea I agree, I do
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:01 PM
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The comparison of this event to natural disasters is not really a good one, because these events were controlled entirely by human decisions, so it's different than a tragic 'act of God'.
Actually in the US living in flood prone areas that are located below sea-level is also a human decision (for 90% of the people living there). The SC students have my complete sympathy, as well as the residents of New Orleans.
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Most of the discussions so far seem to be directed at the tuition waiver. How about the admission standards at SGU?

I know, for a fact, that there is a student at St. Chris who’s undergrad GPA was 2.2. I suspect that there are others like that. And what about MCATs? Not required at St. Chris. I may be off, but I bet most students at SGU were on the edge for a U.S. school. Their GPA’s, for the most part, are pretty good and their required MCAT average is what? 26? It’s the most competitive school in the Caribbean.

Also, what about the others who didn’t quite make it into SGU and went the MPH route. I’m guessing that their GPA’s were a bit higher than 2.2. How fair is it to them. If I was one of these guys, I’d be pretty upset.

I agree about the tuition waiver. They probably will end up paying the same anyway with living expenses during the make-up year(s), tuition already paid to St. Chris and lost future earnings. But don’t compromise the standards.
Having a horrible UG GPA does not necessarily mean you won't do well in med school- i would hazard to guess there are many of us (me included!!) that have UG GPA's that were considered sup par for US schools got the chance to prove ourselves at sgu.

I'm sure different things wil be taken into consideration in admitting SC students in sgu- and i would imagine if the MCAT is a requirement of admission to sgu, it will be required by the sc students coming into sgu (i'm sure some of them took it).
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Old 03-28-2006, 09:26 PM
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exactly how? The concept of the cost differential is a reasonable issue to bring up even though I disagree that it is necessary or should be done. But what is really disturbing is the vicera of the feeling of some students regarding this offer. This decision if taken would be a limited one for a few students, cost you nothing, but you'd begrudge them this. For student who can perceive themselves as "shafted" when they don't lose a dollar by the school's generous offer to kids who've have been "shafted" a year or two of education is a bit chilling. These people need never complain of the greed of off shore schools. At any rate I'm sure sgu would be happier to have the extra money.
The students at SGU are going to a "approved" school. The SC students did not, now they should learn a lesson in life.
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