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Old 03-26-2006, 10:19 PM
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i actually was thinking of tulane and harvard exchange as well but dont know enough about the details. anyway, shame on canada then. Stan and Kyle were right!
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:26 PM
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I have just gotten home from the UK and Ireland and it was gratifying when I tapped back into this thread to realize that so many of the SGU students are responding in such a compassionate way to the plight of the St. Christopher’s students. I feel proud, just as I did when so many of the students volunteered to help Grenada after Ivan, and just as I do when I see all the community service projects that have been ongoing since the University began in 1977. Kudos to you all.

I am also glad to see the question of the tuition discussed in such a realistic fashion. As I have stated, our first duty and concern is to our own students and graduates. We will do nothing to jeopardize the academic program and environment we have all built together.

We are listening carefully to what is being said here.. When SGU offered this to the students of the medical school that closed in the early 1980’s, the tuitions were comparable. Although the SC tuition is lower, their students have not been able to utilize the US government loan program. As SGU students, they will be eligible to take out loans.

While I was in Europe this week, and especially after meeting the SC students at our Open House in London on Tuesday, I spoke to our Chancellor many times who has sympathy and would like to find a way to help – if it is in fact determined that SC is not going to be able to issue a legitimate degree and if there are SC students who are interested in attending SGU.

But I can assure you that if there does seem to be a need for SGU to help SC students, it will be done equitably: Neither our academic standards nor our existing students will be compromised.

Perhaps SC students will be granted a scholarship for every semester they paid for and then asked to pay the difference between the two tuitions; perhaps some other idea will be crafted. Nothing has been determined. We don’t know how many students would be interested in the more difficult, but safe, route of SGU. We will see in the coming week or so. We will most probably involve SGU’s Student Government Association to brainstorm ideas before we finalize any plans.
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:33 PM
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Stan and Kyle were right!
No names please. *grin*

Please moderate yourself.
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:44 PM
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I have just gotten home from the UK and Ireland and it was gratifying when I tapped back into this thread to realize that so many of the SGU students are responding in such a compassionate way to the plight of the St. Christopher’s students. I feel proud, just as I did when so many of the students volunteered to help Grenada after Ivan, and just as I do when I see all the community service projects that have been ongoing since the University began in 1977. Kudos to you all.

I am also glad to see the question of the tuition discussed in such a realistic fashion. As I have stated, our first duty and concern is to our own students and graduates. We will do nothing to jeopardize the academic program and environment we have all built together.

We are listening carefully to what is being said here.. When SGU offered this to the students of the medical school that closed in the early 1980’s, the tuitions were comparable. Although the SC tuition is lower, their students have not been able to utilize the US government loan program. As SGU students, they will be eligible to take out loans.

While I was in Europe this week, and especially after meeting the SC students at our Open House in London on Tuesday, I spoke to our Chancellor many times who has sympathy and would like to find a way to help – if it is in fact determined that SC is not going to be able to issue a legitimate degree and if there are SC students who are interested in attending SGU.

But I can assure you that if there does seem to be a need for SGU to help SC students, it will be done equitably: Neither our academic standards nor our existing students will be compromised.

Perhaps SC students will be granted a scholarship for every semester they paid for and then asked to pay the difference between the two tuitions; perhaps some other idea will be crafted. Nothing has been determined. We don’t know how many students would be interested in the more difficult, but safe, route of SGU. We will see in the coming week or so. We will most probably involve SGU’s Student Government Association to brainstorm ideas before we finalize any plans.
Thanks for the updated info Ms. Lambert. I am sure all of us at SGU will be greatly appreciated for your effort.....
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:48 PM
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Like many other students I will have over $250k in loans when I graduate this June. I'll be paying it back on a measly resident's salary. Still, the school's act of generosity doesn't faze me in the least. I think SGU is doing a wonderful thing for these students. And, it won't be to the detriment of ANYONE. Adding a few more students in each class won't affect your educational experience either. The seats already exist, the professors are already on salary, the infrastructure for the classrooms is already in place. It's a paper charge you're arguing about - it's basically meaningless.

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Old 03-26-2006, 10:52 PM
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take the offer and RUN! SGU has staffords, you are a full time student so you can just take out staffords to live on right?

this is a sweet deal, take it and run, if SC does come out ok and you are a 4th year i am sure they will gladdly take you back
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Old 03-27-2006, 12:08 AM
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Perhaps not. I don't think it's "logical" for SGU either but it is a compassionate gesture.

The company (Carnival?) that offered up their cruise ships for the hurrican victims to stay in - I don't think that was logical either and not fair to their customers (please bear with me as I'm not making a comparison between people who lost everything to the SC students; I'm just using this as an example of something that's "not logical"). employees or the best thing for those who were the hurricane victims either.

Yet, it was still done.
Carnival didn't 'offer up' their cruise ships for Katrina victims... As a matter of fact, the US Government leased the 3 ships for $236 Million. Another FEMA debacle. The ships sat half-empty most of the time, too!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/27/AR2005092701960.html

"To critics, the price is exorbitant. If the ships were at capacity, with 7,116 evacuees, for six months, the price per evacuee would total $1,275 a week, according to calculations by aides to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.). A seven-day western Caribbean cruise out of Galveston can be had for $599 a person -- and that would include entertainment and the cost of actually making the ship move.

"When the federal government would actually save millions of dollars by forgoing the status quo and actually sending evacuees on a luxurious six-month cruise it is time to rethink how we are conducting oversight. A short-term temporary solution has turned into a long-term, grossly overpriced sweetheart deal for a cruise line," said Coburn and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in a joint statement yesterday calling for a chief financial officer to oversee Katrina spending."

So for Carnival - it was more than logical!

As far as the SGU deal goes, I think a reduced/free tuition for basic science classes for St. Chris students is a great business idea... Gets them free, positive press exposure, a large pool of applicants to keep enrollment numbers high, and further exposure in the UK. And it's just a 'nice' thing to do... it's like shootin' fish in a barrel!!
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Old 03-27-2006, 12:44 AM
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Carnival didn't 'offer up' their cruise ships for Katrina victims...
So it's not a clearcut case but they weren't exactly requisitioned either. As I recall FEMA was asking the cruiselines if they'd do it. They didn't have to.

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Sure, I know they got money out of it.

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"To critics, the price is exorbitant. If the ships were at capacity, with 7,116 evacuees, for six months, the price per evacuee would total $1,275 a week, according to calculations by aides to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.). A seven-day western Caribbean cruise out of Galveston can be had for $599 a person -- and that would include entertainment and the cost of actually making the ship move.
News articles are always so sensational and usually inaccurate on top of it.

1. Most cruise lines make a LOT of their money from bar sales, casino, gifts, etc. Trust me on this as I've been following the industry closely for the last year and a half.

2. There are many different class of cabins costing from a few hundred dollars to many thousands.

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"When the federal government would actually save millions of dollars by forgoing the status quo and actually sending evacuees on a luxurious six-month cruise it is time to rethink how we are conducting oversight. A short-term temporary solution has turned into a long-term, grossly overpriced sweetheart deal for a cruise line," said Coburn and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in a joint statement yesterday calling for a chief financial officer to oversee Katrina spending."
Yes, luxurious vacations is what they were going on. FEMA was sending these people on a cruise. *rolls eyes*

What crack is this Senator smoking? A cruise is more than simply being on the ship. It's the service, destination, food, drinks, entertainment, etc.

Do I even need to comment on this?

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So for Carnival - it was more than logical!
In the same way that Islandhopper is wondering how this is going to affect him, tuition, etc. how do you think this affected Carnival's loyal passengers and those booked on those ships for the next 6 months? People often book cruises a year+ in advance.

Those ships weren't lying around doing nothing even though they were the smallest in the fleet.

The publicity (which backfired) might have been worth it to them but there was a tradeoff as well in terms of gipping their customers, reimbursing them, and so forth..

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As far as the SGU deal goes, I think a reduced/free tuition for basic science classes for St. Chris students is a great business idea... Gets them free, positive press exposure, a large pool of applicants to keep enrollment numbers high, and further exposure in the UK. And it's just a 'nice' thing to do... it's like shootin' fish in a barrel!!
Agreed.

I've said the publicity and positive light this puts SGU in already earlier in this thread.
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Old 03-27-2006, 02:30 AM
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As far as the SGU deal goes, I think a reduced/free tuition for basic science classes for St. Chris students is a great business idea... Gets them free, positive press exposure, a large pool of applicants to keep enrollment numbers high, and further exposure in the UK. And it's just a 'nice' thing to do... it's like shootin' fish in a barrel!!
Keep in mind that SGU total basic science tuition is about $67K and SC total basic science tuition is about $37K, so there is a difference of $ 30K
plus living expenses for two more years of basic science, so that would come out to about $80K more to repeat from day 1. : shock:
Perhaps that is why some students are unwilling to endure more pain and to spend more money, but it is a much safer route.

Yes, indeed, you hit it right on the spot. There is no need to say more.
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