SGU Response to SC Students - Page 10

IndianSClink · #91 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:09 PM

Dean Lambert,
What exactly is being offered, full or partial scholarships for the basic science courses that St. Chris students had already successfully completed , so there would be no confusion in the future? Thanks.

islandhopper · #92 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by comoregie

I will advice you to relax..cause if you were in the same situation..you will appreciate the offer. It is not because the students did not do their homework in chosing SC. google st chris grads and you will see some doing residency in surgery and ortho. It was not their fault..they chose a school base on excellent location that turned out to be a fake. Who will turn down a good deal like living in the U.K for 2yrs. My heart goes to those students..cause I know that you did not do anything wrong to deserve this much heartbreak. Stay strong and I hope that it work's out well for you guys.

No, I did not critize about their choice of school. I SAID they should do their homework if they're thinking of transferring so they won't run into licensure problems. I think you're confused with licensure issues either graduating straight out from SC or spend some time at SC, then transferring to a different school. Because SC has licensure problems in some state e.g. Calif, transferring to a different school won't help i.e. must start all over.

I would appreciate the offer if I were from SC, no doubt. But my post isn't about whether or not I would accept the offer or whether the school should make such an offer. My post is all about the validity of total tuition waiver for SC students...

I do feel sorry for people made the wrong choice about the school. But who's to blame? It's your responsibility to find out everything about the school before it's too late. Like I said, ignorance is no execuse. It's a tough one to swallow, but we all have to learn it one way or the other....

Saora1 · #93 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by islandhopper

I guess only someone being around for so long like urself knows who saora is.

Hey, I'm IMPORTANT! Everyone should know who I am. *grin*

However, rokshana loses points for not knowing I'm a guy. The couple references I've made to a girlfriend should have hinted at that. Then again, maybe not.

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But does it matter? My point is whatever people do down here is very different than whatever people do up there.

If you read my reply earlier, you will see that I agree with that in some situations. To do otherwise seeing as how it's a totally different culture would be completely idiotic.

But again, in this situation, I do not see how that holds true. I asked you to point that out to me, yet you apparently choose not to. I do not see how SGU being in the Caribbean plays any role in this decision. It is the school's decision rather than the regional government.

Well, unless you're alluding to the fact that you think SGU can "take advantage of us" somehow because we're not in a position to do anything about it. I think we are. If the majority of current students felt strongly enough about this to protest to the administration, I'm sure they would listen to us in this case.

However, if I US school wanted to make this same offer (and, as before, I ask you to point out some US law/policy that I am not aware of that would stop them) I think they could go right ahead. And this is why I wrote the paragraph above - because like in this situation, I think the only thing that would stop stop them is not that they're in the US but that their student body (aside from possible regulations/restrictions on class size) might protest.

So, I beg of you, please enlighten me on how being in the Caribbean plays a role in SGU's decision other than saying things are done differently here. That can be a blanket statement for any and everything.

BabaOriley · #94 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:26 PM

This is impressive and commendable, but creates a lot of questions, which hopefully get answered.

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Originally Posted by stephew

Students have been accepted for years to sgu in the audit program. these were students who were weak to begin with. they audit classes for a year and if they do well can matriculate. They must repeat the year but the audit year remains free, even if they drop out or don't matriculate.

Actually, audit students take first term and pay full price for everything (housing, books, living expenses), but half price for tuition. Then, if they matriculate, they are allowed to take first term again as an official student, and this time they pay full price for everything including tuition (except for books since they already have them). There is no refund for the audit term. And for the students who don't matriculate, they leave the school with no refund, and no transcript or record of having been a student.

And I think islandhopper raised many good questions. Its easier to go along with whats popular. Money is a taboo issue of sorts with regards to asking why tuition is what it is at SGU or where the money goes, especially for students, because you risk being labelled as a student who is more concerned with money than helping people. I don't think that's the case. It's about pragmatism. The same applies to this scenario. It's always unpopular to be the jerk who asks cynical, realistic questions, but I'm always glad when someone does.

rokshana · #95 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by islandhopper

I guess only someone being around for so long as urself knows who saora is. ??

So, let see.. i started in Jan 04 and I finished 2nd year and am getting ready to take step I and start my clinicals.... so i've been in med school for 2 years for 2 years worth of work...ok....and didn't really get on VMD until the summer after 1st term....so I'm not really sure what your implication means...is 2 years TOO long to complete 2 years of med school?

I could SAY i was being PC-, but Sorry, saora- had a little anal cranial inversion there!!

Plus everyone know we pay way more than it cost to go to school here- it is a FOR PROFIT school for heaven's sake!!

islandhopper · #96 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saora1

Hey, I'm IMPORTANT! Everyone should know who I am. *grin*

However, rokshana loses points for not knowing I'm a guy. The couple references I've made to a girlfriend should have hinted at that. Then again, maybe not.

If you read my reply earlier, you will see that I agree with that in some situations. To do otherwise seeing as how it's a totally different culture would be completely idiotic.

But again, in this situation, I do not see how that holds true. I asked you to point that out to me, yet you apparently choose not to. I do not see how SGU being in the Caribbean plays any role in this decision. It is the school's decision rather than the regional government.

Well, unless you're alluding to the fact that you think SGU can "take advantage of us" somehow because we're not in a position to do anything about it. I think we are. If the majority of current students felt strongly enough about this to protest to the administration, I'm sure they would listen to us in this case.

However, if I US school wanted to make this same offer (and, as before, I ask you to point out some US law/policy that I am not aware of that would stop them) I think they could go right ahead. And this is why I wrote the paragraph above - because like in this situation, I think the only thing that would stop stop them is not that they're in the US but that their student body (aside from possible regulations/restrictions on class size) might protest.

So, I beg of you, please enlighten me on how being in the Caribbean plays a role in SGU's decision other than saying things are done differently here. That can be a blanket statement for any and everything.

I never said "regional government" has bearing on the school's decision. I simply stated that people do things differently than what we do back home...e.g. slow pace in GND, verbal agreement isn't a binding contract, not to mention taxing laptop at the airport? My point being that the difference in cultures/customs makes us hard to understand each other. Of course, total tuition waiver for SC students is not logical at all back where I come from. Perhaps I did over generalize this statement regarding to this policy, but the school officials do consist of Grenadians and others. There has to be some reason why the school decides to do what seems to be contrary to us...

islandhopper · #97 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rokshana

So, let see.. i started in Jan 04 and I finished 2nd year and am getting ready to take step I and start my clinicals.... so i've been in med school for 2 years for 2 years worth of work...ok....and didn't really get on VMD until the summer after 1st term....so I'm not really sure what your implication means...is 2 years TOO long to complete 2 years of med school?

I could SAY i was being PC-, but Sorry, saora- had a little anal cranial inversion there!!

Plus everyone know we pay way more than it cost to go to school here- it is a FOR PROFIT school for heaven's sake!!

I was implying the fact that you've being around longer than me...Not sure what u're talking about at all...

Yes, IT IS a school for profit but come on, now we're the scapegoat so others can get a free ride????

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IndianSClink · #99 (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by islandhopper

I think partial tuition waiver instead of full tuition waiver will be more reasonable.

Islandhopper, come down and think for a minute here. LMAO.

SC tuition is about $ 8000 per semester.

# 1- SABA tuition is about $7,380 per semester.
# 2- AUC tuition is about $10,100 per semester.
#3- ROSS tuition is about $11,540 per semester.
#4- SGU tuition is about $ 17,200 per semester ( Term 1, 2, 4)

Do the math, and you will see the whole picture. SABA will be the first choice for Stchris students due to the low tuition fees. I do not think any of Stchris students would want to pay SGU that much when there are other options such as ROSS, AUC, and SABA. So what does SGU do? SGU came up with the scholarships offer to jump on top of SABA. Case is closed. End of Story. Period.

P.S. SGU will do anything to be # 1, top of the list, so you should be proud of your school instead of complaining. Open up your eyes for a change.

Saora1 · #**100** (**permalink**) 03-26-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by islandhopper

I never imply that "regional government" has any bearing on the school's decision.

So why bring up that it's in the Caribbean?

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I simply stated that people do things differently than what we do back home...e.g. slow pace in GND, verbal agreement isn't a binding contract, not to mention taxing laptop at the airport?

Sure, but what relevance do such facts of "island life" (and by the way, I think the taxing of student laptops which aren't going to remain in the country is garbage) have to this decision by the school?

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My point being that the difference in cultures/customs makes us hard to understand each other.

Not sure what you're getting at exactly...

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Of course, total tuition waiver for SC students is not logical at all back where I come from.

Perhaps not. I don't think it's "logical" for SGU either but it is a compassionate gesture.

The company (Carnival?) that offered up their cruise ships for the hurrican victims to stay in - I don't think that was logical either and not fair to their customers (please bear with me as I'm not making a comparison between people who lost everything to the SC students; I'm just using this as an example of something that's "not logical"). employees or the best thing for those who were the hurricane victims either.

Yet, it was still done.

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Perhaps I did over generalize this statement regarding to this policy,

Well thank you for at least admitting that although I don't think you overgeneralized so much as referred to something that has no bearing. But that's perhaps just my opinion.

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but the school officials do consist of Grenadians and others.

Not anyone that would be in a position to make this kind of gesture. ****** et. al. have the last word in this.

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There has to be some reason why the school decides to do what seems to be contrary to us...

Maybe it's just some kind of comraderie/loyalty to a similar institution who's students are in a situation similar to our/your own i.e. couldn't get into US/UK schools.

You're not comparing apples to apples really. If a US school went under in a similar situation (just suppose it could happen), maybe everyone would say tough luck and better luck next time, but might not some US schools open up their doors (perhaps each taking a couple students) in a similar gesture? I dunno, but I'm thinking it could happen.

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