Thread: State Approvals

California - I think the best way to describe how California will review SGUL-Nicosia is in terms of maintaining California approval rather than seeking California approval. Of course SGUL has been approved in California since they began looking at international schools. Now SGUL simply needs to go through the same process that Duke, Cornell and other well-established medical schools have done in regards to California reviewing our new campus in Cyprus. The best indications of how this should go can be found with GMC's validation process and how California has viewed other, similar programs.

New York - Frankly I don't think any other schools are going to be added to this list until NYS figures out how they want to treat this issue. NY schools reacted very aggressively with HHC's exclusive agreement. The whole debacle at Wyckoff through flames onto the fire. Until this commission NYS has set up comes up with a determination on how they will administer "approving" medical schools going forward, I think we can safely assume no new visits will be made and no new schools added. So for SGUL-Nicosia students we are in the process of finalizing clinical affiliations in Cyprus which takes away the "no more than 12 weeks of rotates outside the country where the school is domiciled" threat for denying Residency or Licensure applications.

New Jersey - Not going to happen and don't need it anyway. NJ approval is only for clinicals anyway so it affects non-NJ approved schools only by denying them access to rotations in NJ. No effect on the ability to gain Residency or Licensure for non-NJ approved schools.

Florida - Similar to NJ. Only limits access to rotations. No limits on Residency or Licensure.

Texas - Only comes when an alumnus applies for licensure and demonstrates equivilency to TX medical school educational standards. Not really an approval process for schools at all except of course in judging the quality of its alumni when they begin applying for Licensure in Texas.

weill cornell in qatar has a separate listing from weil cornell proper for the cali list and UQ/oschner have stated that the UQ medical school approval does NOT approve their program and that they will be pursuing approval themselves...don't know about the Duke singapore affiliation's ability in cali

could you please elaborate on what sgul in cyprus plans to do to get cali approval?

SGUL will do whatever the California Medical Board requires us to do to maintain California approval for all of its students including our new campus in Cyprus.

Tipton, I am very interested in going to SGUL-N. I understand that after the programme, if you are from the UK, you can apply in the UK for your FY1.
I am trying to understand how to get certification to work in the USA or Canada. I know that students may go to JPH for their clinical placements does this help student gain residence in Chicago afterwards?
From your post above does it mean that students of SGUL-N can have their clinical rotations in California or residency?
Any info would greatly appreciated

Originally Posted by Dream99

Tipton, I am very interested in going to SGUL-N. I understand that after the programme, if you are from the UK, you can apply in the UK for your FY1.
I am trying to understand how to get certification to work in the USA or Canada. I know that students may go to JPH for their clinical placements does this help student gain residence in Chicago afterwards?
From your post above does it mean that students of SGUL-N can have their clinical rotations in California or residency?
Any info would greatly appreciated

you have to do a residency in the US to be able to practice in the US as a doctor.. doing clinicals at jackson will help you to get to know people at that hospital but its no guarantee that you will get a residency there.

and just because the home school (i.e. the school in london) is on the cali approval list, does not mean it is automatic for any satellite programs...until cali has stated that the cyprus program either fall under the london approval or requires its own approval, students from the school in cyprus will not be eligible to do clinicals, residency, or practice in cali.

Originally Posted by rokshana

...students from the school in cyprus will not be eligible to do clinicals, residency, or practice in cali.

...nor in the handful of other states that use the California list, like Vermont, Indiana, Arkansas, New Mexico, etc.

With that said, I hope that Tipton is right about the Nicosia program. The CMB was completely unwilling to allow my medical school to include the English language curriculum under its Bulgarian language curriculum approval, and the two curricula are at the exact same locations and hospitals, with the exact same coursework and rotations (plus Bulgarian language classes for the English students), and with shared faculty.

SGU-L may have the advantages of 1) being English (both in nationality and in language of instruction, 2) having an excellent international reputation, and 3) demonstrating more institutional willingness to actually pursue approval.

Originally Posted by Dream99

Tipton, I am very interested in going to SGUL-N. I understand that after the programme, if you are from the UK, you can apply in the UK for your FY1.
I am trying to understand how to get certification to work in the USA or Canada. I know that students may go to JPH for their clinical placements does this help student gain residence in Chicago afterwards?
From your post above does it mean that students of SGUL-N can have their clinical rotations in California or residency?
Any info would greatly appreciated

In the short term, while the California medical board decides what they will require SGUL to do in order to maintain approval for all our students, our students may have some limitations such as Rokshana mentioned above. I don't expect these limitations to last long however due to SGUL's institutional commitment to its reputation and alumni success.

Please feel free to contact me directly if you wish (info below).

Originally Posted by Tipton

New York - Frankly I don't think any other schools are going to be added to this list until NYS figures out how they want to treat this issue. NY schools reacted very aggressively with HHC's exclusive agreement. The whole debacle at Wyckoff through flames onto the fire. Until this commission NYS has set up comes up with a determination on how they will administer "approving" medical schools going forward, I think we can safely assume no new visits will be made and no new schools added. So for SGUL-Nicosia students we are in the process of finalizing clinical affiliations in Cyprus which takes away the "no more than 12 weeks of rotates outside the country where the school is domiciled" threat for denying Residency or Licensure applications.

Hi Tipton,
Could you give more information on the statement "no more than 12 weeks of rotates outside the country where the school is domiciled," I was having trouble finding this restriction online for NYS as well as other states. Not being able to be licensed in NY is a pretty huge threat to us east-coasters.

Originally Posted by KyleKlosowski

Hi Tipton,
Could you give more information on the statement "no more than 12 weeks of rotates outside the country where the school is domiciled," I was having trouble finding this restriction online for NYS as well as other states. Not being able to be licensed in NY is a pretty huge threat to us east-coasters.

Unfortunately no I can't find it anywhere on a NYS regulation anywhere. However I was sent a couple of NYS residency programs who list this specifically in their requirements for applicants. If residency programs are requiring this, it seems to be a good indication of what the State is requiring however much it can't be found in the written regulations.

However we will have rotations in Cyprus at a local hospital. So this bodes well as far as fulfilling this.

Only California has special requirements for licensure, as Tipton pointed out. And you need a provisional license to complete a residency.

NY, NJ, FL, and TX have special requirements to do residency in those states. However, you need to complete a residency to get an unrestricted license in the US.

If you take CA (and with it the 10 other states that use its list), NY, NJ, FL, and TX away from international grads you've got an extremely poor chance of getting a US residency. Just because NY is IMG-friendly and secondly within those states are anywhere to 50-70% of the residency training programs in the United States.

It would be an extremely poor investment to go to a program that costs $100,000 or more, and then not get a residency after graduation because of licensing restrictions. In short, don't attend a medical school that doesn't have 50 state approval. IMGs only have a 50% chance of matching in the US, FMGs (non-US citizens) only match at a 40% success rate. Those numbers figure to be lower for students coming out of medical schools not approved by all 50 states.