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    Straight from the Source

    Greetings and Salutations,

    This is UNIC-Leaks here and we are an assemblage of first to final year students. As we are many, we will each be posting about different issues as and when they come up.

    In light of all the conflict between the administration and the student body, we have created this account to report on the latest developments happening at SGUL-UNic and if required, to publicize official documents and emails issued by the school. In doing so, this will serve to hold both the students AND the administration accountable. This will ensure that the school is held accountable to their actions/promises and that the accusations from students are justified (or not).

    Unfortunately, due to punitive measures implmented against students from the school administration at the slightest hint of dissent, we have to resort to anonymity to ensure that we are not punished/silenced/intimidated for what we see as the legitimate concerns from the student body which have otherwise been swept under the carpet.

    We hope to give potential students accurate and correct information about things such as but to limited to: Number of spots in the United States (Not Puerto Rico), Number of training spots in each clinical site, Visa requirements needed to be eligible for each clinical site, eligibility for work in the European Union and the United Kingdom upon graduation, quality of training at each clinical site etc.


    We also hope to provide you first hand information about questions you may be having about this school.

    YOU will read the documents and we will leave you to come to your own conclusions.



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    Malta is mentioned specifically, so you would think all of those students would have been processed similarly-- having done F1 abroad

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    Quote Originally Posted by esgeeyouel View Post
    58 in UK (F1 and F2)
    8 in Malta F1
    6 in US residencies
    3 in Canadian residencies
    2 in Lebanese residencies
    3 in Israeli internship
    1 in Irish internship
    4 in research or graduate programmes in the US, UK and Lebanon
    5 deferred their medical training to 2017

    Which internship from the list above is being considered as F1 abroad please? SGUL Unic Admin posted this on another thread showing the outcomes of their graduates. Thanks!
    It was a graduate who did F1 in Malta and subsequently was accepted into an F2 position in the UK. Our graduates currently in the Foundation programme in Malta will follow the same route once they complete their F1 training.

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    Ok thanks, I think I must of misunderstood your first post. I was thinking you meant I could potentially go to another country other than Ireland or Malta and have that recognised as F1 and then go to the UK or another European country. Not really much of an option then if you Malta is not taking students and Ireland is so competitive. I will stay posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esgeeyouel View Post
    Ok thanks, I think I must of misunderstood your first post. I was thinking you meant I could potentially go to another country other than Ireland or Malta and have that recognised as F1 and then go to the UK or another European country. Not really much of an option then if you Malta is not taking students and Ireland is so competitive. I will stay posted.
    Actually, you understood it correctly. It is possible to do F1 abroad in other countries beyond Malta and Ireland, as long as that internship meets certain criteria and you obtain prior approval for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGUL UNic Administration View Post
    Actually, you understood it correctly. It is possible to do F1 abroad in other countries beyond Malta and Ireland, as long as that internship meets certain criteria and you obtain prior approval for it.
    There's not much data as is this uncommon for students to undertake. Specific countries mentioned are Malaysia, Singapore, the US, and Malta. Presumably Ireland would also be equivalent.

    Immigrating to a country you are not from to do a medical internship I would imagine is difficult for various reasons-- visas, language, skepticism about your intentions, etc, so maybe if you are from a country that has a one year generic internship similar to F1, but you want to finish in England then this route might make sense. South Africa, India, and Pakistan come to mind since their education pathways are similar. Central and South American countries often have mandatory one year internships as well that could possibly count.

    The catch is whether those internships are organized in a manner that SGUL and it's deanery can say that they're equivalent. To make that determination though, you'd have to see SGUL and their deanery's specific policy regarding F1 outside of the U.K. It would be a shame to come to Cyprus all the way from Brazil thinking that your country's one year internship counts just to study for four years and find out that you can't get approval.
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    What happened to the tier 5 visas rejections??? were the SGUL UNIC admin able to get it sorted????

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    Well, sort of.

    Quote Originally Posted by fightorflight View Post
    If you have dual citizenship, then it may be possible to work in the U.K. depending on how Brexit goes. If at any point you want to work in the US though, you will need to complete a US residency from start to finish. If you're American and you want to come home after graduation, the UK is not an end-around to the match and residency. If you want to work in Europe afterwards, and you have an EU passport, I can think of about a dozen international European schools with better reputations.
    There are a few (note: bloody FEW) exceptions to this. For example:
    1) completed UK GP training is accepted straight across with the US FM board, assuming successful completion of the USMLEs, etc. This is listed on their website.
    2) completed UK (or other foreign) training in Anesthesia or Radiology could qualify a physician for the "alternate pathway" programs for those specialty boards, in which a foreign-BC physician completes a set amount of fellowship/research years in a US academic program and is subsequently allowed to complete the US board exams for that specialty and practice. These two programs, Anesthesia and Radiology, were both still in effect last time I checked, but I also read that they could conceivably end at any time.

    Aaaaand that's about it. I am not aware of any other exceptions for US practice with overseas residency training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    What does 'parly' mean?
    1) A town in northern France.
    2) Brit slang for a Parliament cigarette.
    3) A small, gingerbread biscuit.

    Not sure which one you are, but color me impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOLZ View Post
    What happened to the tier 5 visas rejections??? were the SGUL UNIC admin able to get it sorted????
    Last week the affected students were informed by the UKFPO that those who are eligible for a Tier 5 visa and are appealing against not having a visa to allow them to train, would be allowed until 10 May to prove their right to work. This means that if they receive a relevant visa by that date, they would be allocated to any vacant programme that is still in the system, although it cannot be guaranteed that there will be a F1 post for them. In the meantime, the management of the Medical School and SGUL continue their endeavours to resolve this issue with the Home Office and allow our students to work on a Tier 5 visa as Doctors in Training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGUL UNic Administration View Post
    Last week the affected students were informed by the UKFPO that those who are eligible for a Tier 5 visa and are appealing against not having a visa to allow them to train, would be allowed until 10 May to prove their right to work. This means that if they receive a relevant visa by that date, they would be allocated to any vacant programme that is still in the system, although it cannot be guaranteed that there will be a F1 post for them. In the meantime, the management of the Medical School and SGUL continue their endeavours to resolve this issue with the Home Office and allow our students to work on a Tier 5 visa as Doctors in Training.

    What do you mean by relevant visa?? That means Tier 5 visa's are not allowed anymore, then what other relevant visa can be acquired for an Australian???

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