Thread: not to safe

Things are hot in Senegal right now.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html

Originally Posted by smoohead

But alas! I never used the word 'degrading' and I never said it was personal either, no? You guys really do jump the gun sometimes :S... Personally, I know and my parents know and everyone else who knows where I am right now and what I am doing here knows that St. Chris is a Senegalese school. There's no shame in it. I'll wear t-shirts with the Senegalese flag on them and shout it from the rooftops if I have to. I hope that future students are not so ignorant that they are mislead by the comments on this board into believing it's a UK school, say what we will, that's not our problem at all. And if the school is masking it, then it's their problem. However, it's not 100% hidden either like all you y'all are trying to say. And sure it's a business...all medical schools are businesses, even in the US. There is no other way to explain some of the stuff I've seen. It's too bad that SC has been outed as a business and a lot of other off-shore schools have not. But the truth is still there. Students who want to learn and professors and staff that want to help out are what make a medical school a place of learning..without that, it's a business.

Again, this is a nit-picky thread. I see no point to it other than trying to dredge up old arguments.

Good points all around. If someone asks me "Where is SCCM chartered", "Where does your diploma come from", etc... I have no problem saying "Senegal", most people that ask find it interesting and want to know more and I explain it to them...

It's true, if they can't talk about the GMC thing, they have to find something else to harp on. I don't know why people just don't post links to the posts they made last time, it would save timeon typing them out again...

Oh..and rrod, people with cocky attitudes like that, deserve to be outed. Attitudes like that will not a good doctor make... I have never seen any of that from a St. Chris student, however, Although, you guys might have.

Maybe people feel the need to behave that way because all these schools have such a bad rep. Nobody wants to admit where they went to school unless they are extemely emotionally stable. People laugh at you and label you a failure automatically. And we all know, this is not always the case.

Originally Posted by rrod

do you honsetly beleive that when you tell people you went to med school in the UK they don't assume it is a brittish school? wether you try or not, your description of your education points in no uncertain way to a brittish education at a Uk med school. i am not saying what you say is wrong, in many cases it is the brief answer in casual conversation but you have to realize the implications of what you say as being misleading to most people who are not aware of the school status

No, I'm saying that I don't really care what other people correctly or incorrectly assume.

If they want to know if its a British medical college, they should ask rather than just assume they know the answer to something they probably don't have the slightest clue about.

When someone says something, I always ask for more information. Examples are "I graduated from Notre Dame" and I ask "Where is that?" to discern Notre Dame College and Notre Dame University. Or someone says "I graduated from Harvard" I ask "Which program?" to discern between Harvard proper and the Harvard Extension Program.

Originally Posted by InfiniteUni

No, I'm saying that I don't really care what other people correctly or incorrectly assume.

If they want to know if its a British medical college, they should ask rather than just assume they know the answer to something they probably don't have the slightest clue about.

That IMO is pretty darn disingenuous.

You know they'll assume you come from a real UK school after you say: "I did basic sciences in the UK.", but you won't do anything to correct their assumption. Rather, you rely on it, because the truth isn't quite that flattering.

How can someone open a business that charges tuition and awards medical degrees which says they were awarded for a medical program in England when they do not have a medical program that is recognized by England? The document itself can be used as proof of misrepresentation.

There is a St. Chris medical student in NM who claims to have attended St. Christopher's College of Medicine in New Jersey. Just put in St. Christopher's College of Medicine of New Jersey in Yahoo - It's the 8th one down.

Originally Posted by smoohead

Oh..and rrod, people with cocky attitudes like that, deserve to be outed. Attitudes like that will not a good doctor make... I have never seen any of that from a St. Chris student, however, Although, you guys might have.

Maybe people feel the need to behave that way because all these schools have such a bad rep. Nobody wants to admit where they went to school unless they are extemely emotionally stable. People laugh at you and label you a failure automatically. And we all know, this is not always the case.

i agree, it took me a few months to be confortable telling people i went to auc, at first...it does feel like you are less of a med student until you realize that most residents/attenings whlo are familiar with a school and their students don't care and those who do probablu will not change their minds regardless of how well you do.

it also helps rotating with US students and seeing that they are just as clueless as you. you attend rounds with them, lectures, sometimes you are able to answer pimp q's sometimes they do it and by the 2nd month or so you realize just how equal you really are to them and in most cases kick yourself for being beat out by them.....

Originally Posted by Miklos

That IMO is pretty darn disingenuous.

You know they'll assume you come from a real UK school after you say: "I did basic sciences in the UK.", but you won't do anything to correct their assumption...

How do I know they will assume this? Can I read minds? If I can, why the hell am I in medical school?

Again, as I said before, they can ask if it is a British chartered medical school and I will be happy to tell them that the school is chartered in Senegal. Also, as I said before, it isn't fair or appropriate to hold people responsible for other individuals ignorant assumptions... Why should I be held responsible for the ignorance and/or stupidity of the general public that could query for the facts of the situation rather than making an incorrect assumption? I shouldn't be.

Then, why doesn't the branch in Luton make their students follow the Senagalese program? The admin set up shop in Luton and made all their own rules. The Senegalese never even inspect the school. Plus, in Senegal there is only a handful of students who speak french and in the UK you have well over a hundred American students? Your branch campus is bigger than your almost non-existant main campus? Plus, the names of the two colleges are different. What's up with that? Shouldn't the programs at the very least match up and students on both ends have to meet the same requirements to rec the same degree from the same college? It just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Tritonesub

We never operated a U.K. medical school. It is a senagalese school. The same procedures are required if a person went to school in nigeria and wanted to practice in the U.K. as they are for us and always have been.

Originally Posted by empathy

How can someone open a business that charges tuition and awards medical degrees which says they were awarded for a medical program in England...

Can you show where the degrees say they "were awarded for a medical program in England"?

Originally Posted by empathy

...The Senegalese never even inspect the school...

Care to verify this claim? I actually spoke to gentlemen who were from the Senegal campus at the Luton campus, to the best of my ability, given my limited and broken French...

Originally Posted by empathy

Plus, the names of the two colleges are different... What's up with that?

Really? How so?

Originally Posted by empathy

Shouldn't the programs at the very least match up and students on both ends have to meet the same requirements to rec the same degree from the same college? It just doesn't make sense.

Last I checked, colleges were allowed to offer different programs at different locations, it happens all the time here in the US...