Thread: not to safe

Things are hot in Senegal right now.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html

Originally Posted by InfiniteUni

You read way too far into things, and when you do this you start seeing things that don't exist.

There is no implication. It's a simple statement that is totally honest.

I do attend SCCM, I did my basic sciences at SCCM, and the campus where I did my basic sciences exists in the UK. What's so hard to understand about that?

While youre question must be rhetorical, on the off chance that its not, and for others playing along at home, here is the issue: the problem is not when someone wants to know where you phyically spent a couple of years of your life. the problem is when medical students want to mask the nature of their education. St Chris is no more a UK school that SGU is a UK school although part of the education is on UK soil in both cases.

Not wanting to go into details every single time someone asks you abotu medical is fine. There's nothing wrong with not feeling compelled at every moment to go into med ed history. Its the lying to yourself or others and deliberate misdirection that's unethical. And by the way, when a harvard med student does rotations in Uganda, they don't need to tell people they graduated from medical school there.

Originally Posted by Miklos

They will assume that you are a UK educated physician. Unfortunately, until SC gains a UK charter, you are not. You are a grad of (pardon the expression) a squatter school.

SC is taking advantage of the good name and reputation of UK schools by representing itself as a school located in the UK. You, by implying that you are a UK grad are doing the same.

Well, we all know what assumptions make us...

None of us have control over other people’s assumptions, and it’s unreasonable to say that we are responsible for other people’s assumptions.

Originally Posted by smoohead

In all honesty, none of you were really listening to tafka, I'd get pretty irritated as well :P And Steph, you're a moderator, you're not allowed an opinion!! lol ... I don't think any of the current students (those in their right mind) would say they are UK educated. It's a blatant lie. But saying that we did basic sciences in the UK...it's the truth, no? I think this entire thread is just nit-picking and trying to dredge up the same issue again and again cuz the original GMC thread got locked.

i agree with this. And no, I don't expect everytime the issue of where you went to school comes up, one is compelled to give a dissertation on img medical education. the issue is about the poor souls who aren't at terms with the reality and try to mislead. Generally when done, ther eis no real practical implication id bet; it doesnt fool accrediting bodies and does nothing more that provide a little cheap self esteem boost in the face of casual conversation. Unlike GM i dont expect that its reaonable for every SC grad to qualify by saying "If that is the case, when people ask where you attended school the correct thing to say is, "I attended St. Chris a school from Senegal , with a campus in Luton, I was in the Luton campus" . That's silly in many cases.
but dont make an argument that you are a british med school grad.

Originally Posted by InfiniteUni

Well, we all know what assumptions make us...

None of us have control over other people’s assumptions, and it’s unreasonable to say that we are responsible for other people’s assumptions.

yes one must make everyone define their terms in every instance. Lets start with what the definition of "is" is...

Originally Posted by stephew

...Its the lying to yourself or others and deliberate misdirection that's unethical...

If you can find any of that in my statement, I would be happy to see it.

"There is no implication. It's a simple statement that is totally honest."

infinite is right, it is totally honest and not many people want to know the details nor care but it is incomplete and misleading. you are manking people ssume you attended a brittish school and isn't that the reason for the uk campus? the whole alure, and reason of SC being in uk is simply to lure students to attend a school easy to get into and in a first world country..who wouldn't want that?

bottom line is that is the way the question is answered because it is true, nobody wants to hear the details and the people who actually matter, like PD's, and people involved in residency, licensure, etc so what if they use the uk as an ego booster...in the end there is no way to escape what is on the wall and all the self imposed limitations you placed on yourself.

just be careful who is around when you try and use this line to try and impress people. during a rotation we had a drug rep cater lunch for the dept when i hear this guy talking to a group of the nurses with the PD in tow and a few attendings and my residents. this guy said he went to school in england, and on and on bragging about school, really cocky attitude...

i thought he was an uptight rich kid that went to oxford when he says SC in cambridge....i let out a slightly audible huhhh...in the past few weeks, i had seen the other SC students saying the same thing (went to england for fisrt 2 years) which is true so normally i wouldn't care....but he was just such a **** i had to ask about the school a bit....

i said 'oh yea isn't that the african school with a branch campus in england?...so i asked about the set up a bit and how strange it was to go to an african school but not set foot in africa...the conversation took off from there with the PD chiming in a few colorful comments, an attending from nigeria with some choice words about the corruption in senegal, fake schools setting up and so on.

at best it was poetic justice and at least it was quite entertaining, it is not very often in a man's life when he can watch all the colors of the raimbow and the range of human emotion in under a hour with free food! it was better than the superbowl.

also just so you know, i did the same thing to a ross student who was bragging about going to ross university in new york....

Originally Posted by rrod

"There is no implication. It's a simple statement that is totally honest."

infinite is right, it is totally honest and not many people want to know the details nor care but it is incomplete and misleading. you are manking people ssume you attended a brittish school and isn't that the reason for the uk campus? the whole alure, and reason of SC being in uk is simply to lure students to attend a school easy to get into and in a first world country..who wouldn't want that?

bottom line is that is the way the question is answered because it is true, nobody wants to hear the details and the people who actually matter, like PD's, and people involved in residency, licensure, etc so what if they use the uk as an ego booster...in the end there is no way to escape what is on the wall and all the self imposed limitations you placed on yourself.

just be careful who is around when you try and use this line to try and impress people. during a rotation we had a drug rep cater lunch for the dept when i hear this guy talking to a group of the nurses with the PD in tow and a few attendings and my residents. this guy said he went to school in england, and on and on bragging about school, really cocky attitude...

i thought he was an uptight rich kid that went to oxford when he says SC in cambridge....i let out a slightly audible huhhh...in the past few weeks, i had seen the other SC students saying the same thing (went to england for fisrt 2 years) which is true so normally i wouldn't care....but he was just such a **** i had to ask about the school a bit....

i said 'oh yea isn't that the african school with a branch campus in england?...so i asked about the set up a bit and how strange it was to go to an african school but not set foot in africa...the conversation took off from there with the PD chiming in a few colorful comments, an attending from nigeria with some choice words about the corruption in senegal, fake schools setting up and so on.

at best it was poetic justice and at least it was quite entertaining, it is not very often in a man's life when he can watch all the colors of the raimbow and the range of human emotion in under a hour with free food! it was better than the superbowl.

also just so you know, i did the same thing to a ross student who was bragging about going to ross university in new york....

There is a doctor in NJ who lists himself as a graduate of the Cambridge Program.....that would be Kigezi.......lies will ultimately catch up with someone.

Originally Posted by InfiniteUni

Well, we all know what assumptions make us...

None of us have control over other people’s assumptions, and it’s unreasonable to say that we are responsible for other people’s assumptions.

Sure.

When patients called me "doctor" on my clinical rotations, I immediately stopped them and corrected them. I did this everytime, even if it became annoying and even after I had introduced myself as a visiting MS.

Did this bruise my ego?

No.

When they asked which medical school, I equally had no problems telling them that I came from a Hungarian school.

But alas! I never used the word 'degrading' and I never said it was personal either, no? You guys really do jump the gun sometimes :S... Personally, I know and my parents know and everyone else who knows where I am right now and what I am doing here knows that St. Chris is a Senegalese school. There's no shame in it. I'll wear t-shirts with the Senegalese flag on them and shout it from the rooftops if I have to. I hope that future students are not so ignorant that they are mislead by the comments on this board into believing it's a UK school, say what we will, that's not our problem at all. And if the school is masking it, then it's their problem. However, it's not 100% hidden either like all you y'all are trying to say. And sure it's a business...all medical schools are businesses, even in the US. There is no other way to explain some of the stuff I've seen. It's too bad that SC has been outed as a business and a lot of other off-shore schools have not. But the truth is still there. Students who want to learn and professors and staff that want to help out are what make a medical school a place of learning..without that, it's a business.

Again, this is a nit-picky thread. I see no point to it other than trying to dredge up old arguments.

Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

I do not think the site is trying to degrade St. Chris but rather to get them to admit what they really are, a SENEGALESE school. However, for the sake of correctnes, and since you bring up the point, I do think it is degrading for the country of Senegal to deny it. What is wrong or degrading in admitting the school is from Senegal? Simple marketing my friend, it is not convenient because you will not be able to enroll as many poeple as your school does and charge them 100k if you say it is from Senegal right up front.

It is not personal, it's just business and....ethics.

Originally Posted by InfiniteUni

Well, we all know what assumptions make us...

None of us have control over other people’s assumptions, and it’s unreasonable to say that we are responsible for other people’s assumptions.

do you honsetly beleive that when you tell people you went to med school in the UK they don't assume it is a brittish school? wether you try or not, your description of your education points in no uncertain way to a brittish education at a Uk med school. i am not saying what you say is wrong, in many cases it is the brief answer in casual conversation but you have to realize the implications of what you say as being misleading to most people who are not aware of the school status