Licensure, clinicals, residency - Page 6

bts4202 · #51 (**permalink**) 04-22-2005, 02:16 PM

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Our licensed graduates are Dr. Ahmed Shehata in New Jersey and Dr. Deborah Wolfson in Oregon. You are welcome to do a search on the AMA site to find out more about them. We currently have other students who are in the licensure process in other states as well.

Funny how Dr. Shehata's "initial license date is listed as 1975, yet graduated from Kizegi in 1998? Could it be that Dr. Shehata actually graduated from another medical school before? And was licensed under the previous medical school before going to Kizegi?

Uhh, her original license could have been any other type of license. Nursing license, PA license, chiro license, whatever... all that stuff would count as initial license. If she already had an MD, there would be no reason to get another one. But she was licensed in 2003 as an MD with a Kigezi degree.

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read what i said on the other thread. No one has been denied a permenent license in any state in the US that I know of.

So, BTS, are you a paid representative of SC? Are you speaking as a SC school authority/official now? Are you finally admitting to your role here? If not, then what in the world does it matter what you "know of"? If you are simply a student at SC with no special connections/powers/privileges/inside information (basically a puppet of SC admin), then how do you know any more than any other SC students about your graduates since SC has a practice of keeping information from students? So, are you saying you know what happened to Max's TN, FL licensing application which supposedly was initiated before 6/2004?

As I have said before many times, I am friends with Max as well as others who are close to licensure time. I do not need the admin to write a freaking email to a buddy and get all the info. In fact, as I get responses back, i usually forward them on to some of the basic science students who write me asking for info.

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well, show me the evidence of grads from '98, '00 or from '01... the earliest I have heard of a grad. ceremony was in 2002, but even those must have had a problem because of our charter starting in 2000.

http://gsm.utmck.edu/surgery/current_residents.cfm
Scroll down to last name beginning with "O"
He is a PGY-4 resident who took a year off to do "research" (Meaning he would have been a PGY-5 resident 2 months away from finishing surgery residency if he hadn't taken a year off doing "research". This puts him 5 years post-graduate. This puts his graduation date at 2000 from SC, which means he transferred into SC in 1998. He must have graduated after SC obtained a charter ,otherwise he wouldn't have gotten his ECFMG cert. Since TN allows IMG licensure after PGY-3 year, he should have been eligible in 2003. He talked about applying for licensure in June 2004. It doesn't take this long. Many surgery programs will not let you do a Chief Resident year (required for graduation from surgery residency) without medical license. I wonder what happened to Max?

Your math is a little off, he is a PGY-4 right now, 1 year was a research year, but he still advanced in PGY level after the year. You can easily confirm that as I had shown on here before by his PGY status changing on the U tenn website over the past couple years (he did research last year). Maybe he has to do 6 years now that he did a research year ( i don't know about that), but it is his 4th year of residency, and only his 3rd year of non-research residency training.

chav · #52 (**permalink**) 04-23-2005, 04:54 AM

So I have been very interested in your forum here. I am a former Kigezian and my sister in law is a graduate of the school with a residency in NJ. I'm actually visiting with her now... here is the real story. Unfortunately, the residents in NJ from Kigezi had to find other residency programs because of the law that was shown highlighted early in this topic's discussion. I believe there were 5 or so who were effected by the law. Apparently, they were fine for year one, but for the second year of residency the law applies. One of the students was a member of a residents organization that has gotten him legal representation and he has been allowed to continue with his program until the case is heard in court. However, the rest of the group has found residencies in other states. That is the situation. Do not think that SC will be approved in NJ. They will not as long as they do not adhere to the rules for NJ state liscensure. As for the Kigezi graduate who had full liscensure in NJ. I have no idea what that was all about. I believe that I saw the first two people graduate from Kigezi and everyone after that. I believe the first graduates went to Pennsylvania, after that a few scattered across the US but no one could have been liscensed in NJ. That is the real story. Enjoy the rest of your discussion and if you are a perspective overseas student, research your schools thoroughly and double check what the reps tell you... They may not be as straightforward as you may wish.

chav · #53 (**permalink**) 04-23-2005, 03:06 PM

I just spoke to my sister in law and she informed me that there is one graduate from Kigezi who transferred in... Apparently, he did slip through. Sorry about my authoratative airs. She said there will be another one that gets liscensed this year who also slipped through. Otherwise, the 5 or so that were here had to move on to bigger better things.

bye now
chav

Picard · #54 (**permalink**) 04-24-2005, 01:32 PM

For whatever it's worth, I do hope that things work out for those graduates. Having to uproot during residency is not easy.

My problem with the crowd here is that they choose to ignore the obvious and go on pretending everything will be OK and that they have no licensing problems. It's a dishonest and misleading.

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Picard · #55 (**permalink**) 04-24-2005, 07:30 PM

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Uhh, her original license could have been any other type of license. Nursing license, PA license, chiro license, whatever... all that stuff would count as initial license. If she already had an MD, there would be no reason to get another one. But she was licensed in 2003 as an MD with a Kigezi degree.

According to NJ board, the Initial License Date refers to licensure as a physician. In their words, "why would we post license dates of non-physician licenses in our physicians profile?" (paraphrasing by me).

I don't know what to make of this Kizegi grad whose initial licensing date is listed in the 1970's. Perhaps he/she had another medical degree from another country and practiced as physician in the distant past? Or NJ board could have simply made a mistake on the date. Either way, given the information above by chav, this is irrelevant now as the current rule appears clear. BTW, I didn't use his/her name as examples with the NJ board as I didn't want to attract attention to her.

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