This has been discussed to death in the past during that whole bts's "NJ is good to go" scandal. Even the NJ board officials have come out and say this during the failed affiliation attempt. So, please don't play dumb here trying to mislead potential students.

The fact remains, SC has no licensed grads, and no accreditation body/approval body in the US has approved/accredited SC. SMU at least has NY approval and licensed grads. Trying to compare the two is silly at best, malicious misleading at worse.

Again, this statement is silly at best, maliciously misleading at worse. The ONLY comparible example in the US is the Cornel "Qatar" campus. LCME has found that the Qatar campus MUST have a charter from it's physical location -- Qatar. It CANNOT "ride" on it's "parent" campus Cornel's US charter. And Conrel proper/Qatar campuses ACTUALLy share faculty and curriculum. SC and Senegal, on the other hand, does NOT share faculty and does NOT share same curriculum...

THAT's the problem, in this day and age, you CANNOT "do it slowly." It's not the 1980's anymore.... and THIS may very well be the doom of SC.

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Again, SMU is a year older than we are and only have 3 licnesed grads according to California's investigation. That is hardly a big difference. However, the DO have NY already and we are still in the process of approval, you are correct there.


Again, this statement is silly at best, maliciously misleading at worse. The ONLY comparible example in the US is the Cornel "Qatar" campus. LCME has found that the Qatar campus MUST have a charter from it's physical location -- Qatar. It CANNOT "ride" on it's "parent" campus Cornel's US charter. And Conrel proper/Qatar campuses ACTUALLy share faculty and curriculum. SC and Senegal, on the other hand, does NOT share faculty and does NOT share same curriculum...

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Cornell Qatar is not sharing faculty, they have assigned full time faculty to cornell Qatar. They only share admin and curriculum. The top admin and curriculum are EXACTLY the same in Senegal and Luton. So the comparison is similar. Plus, Cornell has continued to tell students that they will recieve an MD from cornell USA regardless of what the LCME said (I actually think it was the AMA, not LCME, but i am not sure).

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Didn't someone said that the Senegal program is 6 years long or something to that effect? Are you saying that Senegal students have the same structure as Luton students? Meaning they go to US-equivalent hospitals and do the same clinical rotation schedule as Luton students? Curriculum is different.
And the fact is that Qatar campus owns its own charter from its host country. I'm sure their transcripts must read that classes were conducted in Qatar campus not Cornel proper -- otherwise it is fraud and may cause problems for their students if the transcripts were templated to make it look like courses were done in NYC -- So, regardless of what the final diploma says, Qatar grads WILL be treated as IMG's and will need to have ECFMG certificate just like Sackler students do (Sackler is "chartered" in NY as well). So, your comparison statement before is misleading and untrue. The model you are comparing to has its own charter in the country of physical location, SC does not.

BTW, since AMA has zero accreditation authority, I believe it's LCME that states Qatar must have its own charter since they (LCME) is not going to accredit it. Now, with this example, how long do you think ECFMG may catch up and say that Luton grads must have their own charter in England as well?

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p and bts...

its pointless to compare Cornell to St. Chris because Cornell's a US college... U would compare any caribbean colleges to these Cornell, would u?

the other thing SMU had charter issues early on (belize --> cayman)...and some of those (3 to be exact) students have been licensed according to the Calif rejection...
So as we know right now another college with similar issue in the past did get licensed grads...

And we dont know if it will be any problem for most grads (in most states) because....

licensure has been discussed in the past and as we have said the senegal-chartered st chris' grads should be in PGY1/2 now (many from 98-00, did not have a charter and that might cause some problems) and, they will get licensure in the next yr or so...

ITS not been 1-2 yrs overdue like some people have claimed and kindly read bts statement that colleges like SMU are 1-2 yrs older than st chris (the '98 setup not the 2000 one) with only a few grads to show for it...so the criticism is premature ...

SMU's situation was a transfer of charter. Different issue. We are not comparing SC with Cornell in terms of education. We are using Cornell/Qatar as an example of "satelite campus" needing its own charter in their country of physical location according to LCME.

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http://www.nypdangels.com/wtc.htm
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http://longmontpolice.com/MEMORIAM.HTM

p but the thing is the first grads must have had the licensure board check their credentials and note the issue of belize when SMU moved to caymans still under belize charter for sometime... and this is the ONLY evidence we have for anything concerning the charter issue when it comes to licensure (in the recent past) and it worked out fine...

the other issue with the dates that I discussed though is much more important and needs to be taken in account when anyone discusses licensure issues (which in my opinion are absurd as this college is still very young).

And when it comes to charter and governing body... I do remember Senegal board members coming twice during the last 6 mths I was there to check the situation at Luton Campus. Now for them being education dept. officials or college officials, I dont know, but still there is Senegalese supervision there.

I can confirm that a number of French-Speaking African/African-American individuals, escorted by members of the Administration, have visited the Luton campus/King's College labs during the last 12 months. Whether they are from Senegal or have anything to do with the Luton/Senegal campus I could not discern as I was not properly introduced, my French is rather limited, and there accent was rather heavy.

i dont know, dude

i wanted to add that admin were NOT with them many times when they were at campus (it kind of surprised me).....but didnt cuz it would bring up names...

Yes, it sucks...moi francais is tres terrible as well...lol

No, that is not what was decided by teh LCME. What was decided was that a US school can not extend their LCME accreditation to a satellite campus. That does not mean other accreditting agencies can not have their own policies. remember, the LCME does not license anyone.

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Where did they say this?
Show me a law or an official statement by the N.J. board that says this.

Are you referring to the St. Peter's article which had a lot of errors in it and was not an official statement from the N.J. Board of Medicine. Even the supposed executive director, Ian Orr, is incorrect. The article was removed from the Jersey Journal site several months ago.

Also, there are no charter issues with New Jersey. Kigezi has a licensed graduate in New Jersey.

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