reread my post...all the other schools you have mentioned..smu, auc, ross, whatever. the governments have been found to have an accreditation procsess similar to the US. senegal is not on that list. so, you are incorrect in saying that these schools simply sit back and enjoy the money. i am sure they DO enjoy it, a lot, but at least they are making a minimal effort to provide oversight, and document it as equivilent.

being in the country of charter means it is at least more realistic and likely to assume that the government will have some oversight. oversight by the sengalese govt of your "satellite campus" is much less likely to happen, or to mean anything. at least, if i was a state board, this is how i would veiw it.

one small bit of advice would be not to assume things based on how they "should" be...in your view, the country of charter shouldn't mean anything. maybe you are right! but, the safe way to view things is through the eyes of some gunslinging state med board, who may be just looking for any reason to disapprove a school. well, operating outside of the country of charter would jump to my attention if i was such a state board. and, other than students in the school, you won't find many that disagree with them on this.

this is by far the most pertinent thing about this school....we can all argue for days about whether the charter matters, whether you are UK trained or not, whether you get a good education, what the residency placements and usmle scores are, how the profs are.....i could go on forever, and there would likely be tons of disagreement.

but, at the end of the day, you want a license to practice. and ALL of the above arguments mean SQUAT if you cannot get it. as of now, nobody has heard of an SC grad getting an unrestricted (non-training) license to practice medicine in ANY state...not even one of the easy ones!!! if i was at SC i would not be able to sleep at night, worrying that at best case i may be allowed to work in kansas or mississippi, and that is it....

" Rrod, tell us the truth, yes your school is good, established, pretty, had licensed docs, but does St Martin government tell **** how much gold to put in the atrium? On your forum, everyone says he spends more money
on gold than on education. Where is the government regulation in that!"


thge school is regulate dindirectly by the california and new york approvals that have to be mainatined/renewed every few years.... it is a for profit school and the agencies know that when they approved it so wether dr **** spends the money on gold sprayt paint or gets a sex change operation is irrelevant to the quality fo education and that the school has met minimal guidelines by those states.

for the sake if students bustin their arses to pass and do teh work i hope there is a licensed grad soon b/c two years is a long time to be out of work......the university as part of a bigger entity in africa is as much a farce as the humanitarian mission so lets not drag that up again. it is a joke open closed a joke that probably has those senegalese officials that come look at SC luton laughing all the way to the bank.

the bubble is getting bigger

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Wow, it seems like SC-Dhakar in Senegal might not really exist! I mean it must be a ‘puppet’ school if you and your ‘so-called’ Senegalese physician friend say it is. So I’m assuming the NY Licensing Committee just makes random pit stops to any medical school that’s willing to cough up some money. I guess they also like wasting valuable time/resources, huh? Or maybe you just know a little bit more then the NY Licensing Committee about licensing schools. Why doesn’t everyone just take a deep breath, relax, and just wait until the NY decision has been made. I know that won’t resolve everything, but it should bring certain things to rest.



This site is hilarious. I just wish when I’m a doctor I will have just as much free time as you do, but then again, I probably wouldn’t waste my time on boards like this, I’ld rather be treating patients. But hey, that’s just me.

Sure, you just just treat patients with every spare moment. Don't take the time out to give a different perspective to people who were in the exact same position you were just a few years before. That's a good attitude. G

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Hold your horses there, partner. If you don't know anything about the island educational system, perhaps you shouldn't be making generalizations about it, eh? For your info, most of the islands have some form of 'higher education' as you call it, such as 2-year universities. While this may not seem very credible to you, on an island with limited resources and a limited population to draw from (some as little as 20k people), it is quite an achievement. Also, the educational system on some of these islands is much better than that found in many areas of the US. I know from personal experience, as my wife was educated in the Caribbean, and after learning of her experiences in the British-influenced system, I would much prefer my children to be educated (at least through the high-school level) there. It is achievement-based, not push-'em-through-based, a problem that has become epidemic in the US public school system. In fact, in the schools in Sint Maarten, for instance, students take 4 languages every year, English, Spanish, French, and Dutch, while many also speak Papiamentu and/or Creole at home. Not exactly D!ck&Jane books, eh?

Unfortunately for your point of view, you don't get to make this decision. It is precisely because of shady practices that this issue HAS been raised. Witness the 'twinning' practices and opening of daughter or sister campuses... I think it's really up to the state boards to decide, myself. Unless we had a federal standard to hold everyone to (I don't see why the USMLE isn't sufficient, actually).


I've still never seen any evidence that St. Chris is any different. Because they host some people from Senegal to come on holiday in London once in a while? Please....

Please note, I'm not bashing St. Chris, I'm just telling you that you're making assumptions about the educational system in the islands that are completely unfounded and off-base.

Ah...you could always practice medicine in international waters as a cruise ship doctor, sailing the Caribbean you tried so desperately to avoid...

Aloha,

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like doc on 'the love boat'??? i like it....

but, i am sorry st chris folks, you still gotta have a license somewhere to get a job on a cruise ship!!!

There is an enormous difference between giving people advice and arguing about every petty little thing. Take this thread for instance, your telling me this is pertinent information for perspective students? I mean how many times are you going to beat a dead horse? I personally think everyone should just wait for the NY approval (or denial). I think that will settle most issues, if not all of them.


But (G) if you like spending hours on Valuemd and other websites like this, I will be the last one to pass judgement. It’s like that saying, whatever floats YOUR boat buddy.

Wrong. There is a huge difference between NY accreditation vs just a simple NY State DOE approval, which is a lower standard, and comes NOWHERE near LCME or California standard (which is what FSMB is going to recommend by most observers).
NY state accreditation involves the NY Board of Regents to evaluate foreign schools as equivalent to NY schools, and this is the standard that USDOE finds compatible to the LCME process (and thus the list of DOE recognized accreditation bodies). NY State DOE approval (which is what I believe SC is going after) is a lower standard and is NOT recognized as LCME equivalent, and may not bail a school out come FSMB time.

So, no, the NY State DOE approval (or denial) is NOT the end-all determination of SC's viability. It's only a small first step, which may or may not be enough.

As for the Senegal Campus, sorry to say that I will take a true Senegalese physician who's trained in Senegal over some SC Luton students who's never set foot in Senegal. Announced site visits are easily prepared for and means nothing. This is why in the US, JACHO has decided to go with unannounced visits... So the fact that NYS inspectors had some form of campus to see during a pre-announced inspections means one thing -- SC had time to prepare and put up a show for them to see... that's all.

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