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Old 03-21-2005, 04:07 PM
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a very productive thread

I love all the generalizations being made. When have I, as a St Chris student, ever told anyone to pick St Chris over a more established school? Fine, if anyone is delusional to think of themselves as a British med student coming out of St Chris, then let them. I would like to think the medical boards don't need the likes of any of you telling them "the truth" about us. I figure they'd do their research just like anyone else. When I get to clinicals, I'm going to try to impress people on my merits, not with where I went to school. If anyone wants to look down on me because I went to St Chris, then go right ahead. It won't stop me from trying to work that much harder. While you all are searching for those state medical board minutes where allegedly every St Chris grad has been rejected for licensure, I'll be in the library studying.
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Old 03-21-2005, 04:29 PM
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well neil why dont u give us evidence about SGU and Ross having more than zero chance of licensure in the first 5-6 yrs they were setup...and were TX and CA available to them then... Actually this is a question to Pman as well... WE REALLY NEED THIS!!!
well, i personally live in the NOW. these schools are approved NOW, and yours is not. there are also many, many more schools that have been around as long as ross, sgu and auc, that STILL do not have full approval. so, st chris could JUST AS LIKELY be one of those very second tier schools, even in the future!

the fact is that now there are many choices for your education. you can be smart, and choose a school that will not limit you...or you can choose st chris, and claim to be a UK trained med student.....
dude, dont sidestep the question...rather than all this rhetoric which leads to posts like these we all just come to agreement as to where we stand compared to some of the better caribbean schools on a timescale...after that there is no reason to argue as we all would know that either we are not doin as good as those schools were or we are at pace with them, and there is no reason to speculate like you do quite bluntly.

so yes my question still stands,

why dont u give us evidence about SGU and Ross having more than zero chance of licensure in the first 5-6 yrs they were setup...and were TX and CA available to them then??
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Old 03-21-2005, 04:51 PM
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limited experince

yes i admit my exposure to sc students has been limited but so far 6 out of 6 say they were in a brittish school and you are right i gauged them poorly and it is my own perception and maybe one of the many times i've corrected them on rounds or had to pick up the slack maybe they have a bad impression of me as some pushy a hole but it isn't them who are doing my eval....hehe and i am a pushy a hole when i need to get things done


i just said this to point out one can misrepresent themselves all they want with bloated statements or fake accents but it is your abilities that will show through no matter what school you come from. i don't think i rotate with any more sc students from here on out and even though i have had a less than stellar interaction with the students the 2 show that there are good students there so i realize my experience is limited and will not lookm down on sc students in the future....
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absurd..

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yeh we could say that we were trained in Senegal, and avoid the whole studying in a country other than that of charter issue, but we are going to tell precisely the truth, the school is chartered in Senegal, but we were trained in the UK on the UK campus with advanced UK facilities, thus the EDUCATION we recieved is comparable to that of students of UK medical schools. The only difference is that our diploma says Senegal... A diploma that says Senegal doesn't make us Senegalese doctors.
umm this is hardly true, in fact its a gross exaggeration..
just cuz you are physically in the UK doesnt mean that ur standards are up to par with UK medical schools, you cannot extrapolate that ur education is comparable to UK schools, thats not a logical conclusion..
your education standards are set by teh Senegalese Ministry of education (or its equivalent) and they evaluate the benchmarks the school needs to meet.... ur education is comparable and up to par with other sengalese schools.. NOT other UK schools.. ur training does not meet UK standards, it meets african (senegalese) standards..

and sorry to rain on ur parade.. but a diploma that says Senegal DOES make u Senegalese doctors.. u certainly are not UK doctors if thats what ur trying to imply

i think that this post has to be be the most absurd post in this whole thread.. if not in the entire st chris forum..
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Re: absurd..

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yeh we could say that we were trained in Senegal, and avoid the whole studying in a country other than that of charter issue, but we are going to tell precisely the truth, the school is chartered in Senegal, but we were trained in the UK on the UK campus with advanced UK facilities, thus the EDUCATION we recieved is comparable to that of students of UK medical schools. The only difference is that our diploma says Senegal... A diploma that says Senegal doesn't make us Senegalese doctors.
umm this is hardly true, in fact its a gross exaggeration..
just cuz you are physically in the UK doesnt mean that ur standards are up to par with UK medical schools, you cannot extrapolate that ur education is comparable to UK schools, thats not a logical conclusion..
your education standards are set by teh Senegalese Ministry of education (or its equivalent) and they evaluate the benchmarks the school needs to meet.... ur education is comparable and up to par with other sengalese schools.. NOT other UK schools.. ur training does not meet UK standards, it meets african (senegalese) standards..

and sorry to rain on ur parade.. but a diploma that says Senegal DOES make u Senegalese doctors.. u certainly are not UK doctors if thats what ur trying to imply

i think that this post has to be be the most absurd post in this whole thread.. if not in the entire st chris forum..
I completely agree with ur statements... and i do think this is a pretty odd topic to be picked out... though i do believe we are at par with the standards there as otherwise GMC would not accredit us in UK.

But again, we are only a satellite campus of a Senegalese college in UK, nothing more nothing less...the location only helps us differentiate ourselves from Caribbean students, nothing else... (i dont mean it as disrespect, its a physical fact, UK is not in Caribbean)

AND neil and picard i am still waiting for your response to my question.
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Re: I ask again...

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Colleagues,

In view of the long and passionate statements on this thread I implore you to address the question which I feel right now is quite relevant:

St. Chris or Spartan?
You are in the wrong thread. This is the St. Chris vs Saba thread.
You can find your post here:

http://www.valuemd.com/ftopic31404.html
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Re: diploma

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The only difference is that our diploma says Senegal... A diploma that says Senegal doesn't make us Senegalese doctors.

The diploma is neutral. It does not specify a location.
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Re: absurd..

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yeh we could say that we were trained in Senegal, and avoid the whole studying in a country other than that of charter issue, but we are going to tell precisely the truth, the school is chartered in Senegal, but we were trained in the UK on the UK campus with advanced UK facilities, thus the EDUCATION we recieved is comparable to that of students of UK medical schools. The only difference is that our diploma says Senegal... A diploma that says Senegal doesn't make us Senegalese doctors.
umm this is hardly true, in fact its a gross exaggeration..
just cuz you are physically in the UK doesnt mean that ur standards are up to par with UK medical schools, you cannot extrapolate that ur education is comparable to UK schools, thats not a logical conclusion..
your education standards are set by teh Senegalese Ministry of education (or its equivalent) and they evaluate the benchmarks the school needs to meet.... ur education is comparable and up to par with other sengalese schools.. NOT other UK schools.. ur training does not meet UK standards, it meets african (senegalese) standards..

and sorry to rain on ur parade.. but a diploma that says Senegal DOES make u Senegalese doctors.. u certainly are not UK doctors if thats what ur trying to imply

i think that this post has to be be the most absurd post in this whole thread.. if not in the entire st chris forum..
Um do you have the slightest clue what youre talking about, or the slightest clue as to hwo the St. Chris Administration runs...obviously not...this school was designed to mimic the US system...and as VCJ stated, the GMC has accredited us and thus deems us on par with other schools in britain, so before you speak, think....
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neil and picard when you do answer, rather than sidestep, my question about where SGU and Ross were in licensing procdure and CA approval 5-6 yrs into their setting up compared to ST. CHRIS, can you also tell me if the grandfather rule was applied for their students when they did get approval in tough states?

I have always wondered about that as well...

thank you
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gmc accreditation? when did this happen? if the gmc accredited sc you wouldn't need limited registration....i thought they just ok'd to sit for the plab....i guess its a matter of perception...
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