ignore everyone, SC isnt established enough to boast about and the carrib is ghetto.....look into other UK schools or Euro schools

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"we dont claim to be from a UK college"
maybe you don't but so far everyone i have met through rotations has with repeatedly misrepresent themselves. when we first met we did the usual where are you from and each of them said SC from london or SC in great brittain...at the end i threw in somthing like oh thats the senegal school right? i heard some grads are applying for licenses now, exiting time for the school to have its first licensed doctors......they were three shades of red.

"Now if you ask me that sounds a lot better than being from an island... And senegal is not pasted on your head when u are in the wards, and u have been trained in UK (i wish people get this)"

when we are with attendings they all know the situation with all our schools so if you want to win a pissing contest with some unwitting US student by all means say its a britt school but anyone who matters, PD directors/attendings know the hx of all our schools and the averages on the usmle for all three big carib schools have been in the 200 range.

i have been holdingback trying to remain positive about the new schools bc it takes so much work to do this but the claims have started again so its back to reality time. i have rotated with 6 SC students and although i don't ask directly things come up in normal conversation so here goes my limited exposure to SC students:

so far 2 are up to par on rounds with 4 seriously lacking any sort of skills to even do a simple psych eval, i had to help one of them constantly finish. out of the 6 i know 1 has failed multiple times, one hasn't taken it yet and is taking 1 and 2 at the same time, two are taking it together and don't know the others. all seem to have been allowed to do cores w/o the exam.

the 4 just have multiple barriers with language and personal skills to be at this level and watching them try and do an pt interview is painful. i know 3 are transfers from the carib and pretty much don't talk about it.

as far as the brittish training being claimed, it must not be very extensive b/c some of them are not allowed to interview pts by themselves or do regular progress notes plus various other limitations by the attendings.

i'm not saying that there is a bias against SC just showing that if there is any benefit from claiming to be from brittain to some unknowing attending or resident it will quickly wear off by your abilities.

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classic! i love this thread...it is just like the old days. making ridiculous claims that fly in the face of logic, lying (trained in the UK, i love it!), etc...

the students at SC are hilarious, and never cease to entertain me.

trained in the UK, less stigma than the carib. i love it! hahahhahahhahhaha



i cannot believe people fall for this stuff. somehow, a school with zero licensed grads, charter issues, guaranteed licensure problems in several states is preferred to establishe carib schools with thousands of grads, faculty in many hospitals, zero licensing problems, simply because it is physically located in the us. to say nothing of the dodgy senegallese "accreditation", which has not been found equivilent to the US by ANY agency, and means nothing outside of senegal.

this thread really is hilarious! pull your head out of the sand, guys. your school WILL give you many problems with licensure, your school has ZERO advantage over the carib, in any way shape or form. misleading folks about your "UK training" further erodes your almost non-existend credibility.

i can bet the program directors in CA, TX, NM, Kansas, etc....prefer most carib grads to st chris. well, i guess even if the PD's prefer you, it is too bad, cause you can't work there! hahhahahahhahahha

What is really funny is the gang mentality that happens whenever anyone gives an opinion that goes contrary to the caribbean way.

Rrod, your experience means little because we have no idea what these people really think about you. It is only from your limited perspective. NOt to mention i have worked with Ross students that i wouldn't trust to put a bandaid on my dogs butt, I have seen US grads in residency who I thought were dumb as dirt, but that doesn't make their school bad. I would really like to see what the students in Louisiana doing psych right now think of you. (from them, not what they tell you).

Anyway, the fact is that there is a huge stigma to being a caribb grad, hell even teratos said the other day he was asked if was even ALLOWED to practice. That kind of thing is not limited to drug reps and lay people. Biases and pre-conceptions are not limited to everyone but program directors. It is easy to see why caribb grads flock to this thread to bash me and anyone who agrees with me, it is in their own interest. I would be upset too if I saw someone saying that people look down on my way of education. But before you go too crazy, i am not saying it is my opinion, I have great respect for caribb grad. But to hide your head in teh sand and pretend as if there is no misconception of caribb grads is just sad.


BTW, i am entitled to my opinions. Just cause some of you may disagree with them does not make them wrong nor does it mean i should not express them. Just cause you do not accept them, does not make them misleading or inaccurate.

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Teratos, to your statement about the labs not being ours, that has no useful relevance, as it does not matter who OWNS the laboratories, but what matters is the knowledge we acquire while working in these labs. England has laws limiting the locations that cadavers may be kept, so there are other established british chartered schools that use King College's anatomy labs. So a mere matter of ownership is irrelevant, what is relevant is that we actaully do learn in KINGS labs with KINGS professors, who are, to be quite honest, very impressed with our performance....

To Picard and NeilC , you say that we are no more UK trained than Caribbean students and that we are NOT trained in the UK. If we are not trained in the UK, WHERE THEN, ARE WE TRAINED? Senegal? No...hahaha....my first guess is....THE UK...! WOW And correct, the vast majority of us do not do clinical training in the UK, we get it better in the USA...I know several AUC students who are currently in the UK doing clinicals, and do you know why they are here, because they failed the USMLE..yep.... And for native UK students (or Americans for that matter)at St Chris, that OPT to do clinical training in the UK, that is entirely ok, as the GMC has approved St. Chris students for clinical training in the UK at hospitals in London....
And as for stating that St. Chris does not own these labs, do YOU as a person own the labs that you used to learn anatomy and neuroanatomy, NO, what matters is the knowledge you acquired from these labs, this is one of the areas in which St. Chris Excells, providing its students with high quality educational facilities.

I will give it to you caribs that your schools are better in the fact that they have been around for a while and have lisenced grads in all specialties, but be honest to yourself, if St. Chris was older and thus had lisenced grads...where would you rather go to school... becuase in a matter of years, that is where St. Chris will be...

And NeilC, you have to realize that the states that do not currently accept st chris students make up a very small portion of the USA, its not like theres nowhere else to live, I am from NC, and I will be practicing in NC in the end, and thats where I want to be, the fact that we cant get lisenced in Cali or a few other states has no relevance to me and I'm sure the majority of students at St. Chris would agree...

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If pigs could fly they would make challenging targets. Of course, flying pigs would have no charter issues, we have yet to see if SC will. I have said numerous times, if things work out in terms of licensing for SC, I think it will likely be a first choice school. For now, it is irresponsible to recommend SC to anyone. G

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Oh and I'm sure SGU labs are pretty good as well, but then again, how much do you pay to go there...SGU is the top carib school, and I'm not downing your school or anyone elses, Im merely stating my opinion about labs and other facilities, and I have been to AUC campus in St. Maarten and have pictures to prove it...
If anyone wants to see pictures of AUC's labs, just holla at me...the lab looks just like one of our smaller classrooms with hanging panel ceilings. The outside of AUC looks absolutely amazing though....

The caribbean schools are good, and they train good doctors, but then again so does St. Chris....

On a side note, while at Princess Juliana Intl, (st maarten's airport) ready to fly home, I noticed a sole container, cylindrical, and about the size of a trash can circling around the conveyor, alone, with the exception of a couple suitcases that hadn't been claimed for hours, and didn't appear as if they were going to be... On the side of the container, on orange background were the words...."Human Tissue for Transplant"...guess they just forgot about that....some medical system. And I have pictures of this container if anyone wants to see it...kinda hard to makeout the lettering but it was shocking haha...

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Irrelevant. AUC students have absolutely nothing to do with the hospital/healthcare system on SXM. G

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bts... come on man, we all know that SGU and Ross were accepted w/ wide open arms when they were first setup in the caribbean and all states gave them the licensure ability when they started... NOT
do u agree Picard???

Besides the fact that we are do not hoard $ 30000 a year from every poor student and cant bribe $ 200 US to government officials (which is hundreds of thousands in their currency) to get building permits, we are also a new college, just like Ross and SGU once were.

Also we are the only college pushing the limits by setting up a campus in a developed country, so i understand the skeptics...

But i always have wondered>>>

P-MAN, what kind of an attending are u? All attending i know would not think or care or have the time to go to a Medical students website to a random school forum and write 1000 word monologues to criticize the school...? perchè, il mio amico? ottenga una vita...do some work man, the nurses probably hate you cuz u waste so much time.