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    Does anybody know how St Chris is currently accredited? ECFMG status?

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    The IMED-FAIMER listing (which is what is needed for acceptance by the ECFMG) for SCIMD is active. The school is accredited in Senegal, which is where the university that SCIMD is a part of is located. The school was recently accredited by the Accreditation Service for International Colleges in the UK and is listed as a Premier College.

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    good for them ! is it ASIC listed for UK or Senegal or both?
    is there a chance that it becomes GMC accredited?

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    As far as I am aware the ASIC accreditation is valid for all the elements of SCIMD, but I would suggest contacting the school or ASIC directly and asking them to be sure.

    I believe SCIMD moving to the "Case-by-Case" list for the GMC is an eventuality but as far as I know it isn't currently possible to say when that will happen. You can contact SCIMD's UK office and they might be able to give you more information on that.

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    Upon making an inquiry to WES (World Education Services) today, an credential evaluation service, for the purpose of transferring credits to a U.S. University, for licensing bodies, and for employment, I have been informed by them that WES will NOT do an evaluation for St Christopher's College of Medicine, St Christopher's Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine, or University El Hadj Ibrahima Niasse. According to WES it is irrelevant whether St Chris has FAIMER/WHO/EFCMG.

    Hence the ongoing quagmire continues... (giggidy)

    Any suggestions? Input?

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    There are so many issues mixed up in your post...I have a hard time deciding where to begin.

    WES is an independent credential evaluation agency. Asking them about ECFMG/WHO/FAIMER is like asking a car mechanic about mechanical engineering. Of course it is irrelevant for them! They don't know anything about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipton View Post
    There are so many issues mixed up in your post...I have a hard time deciding where to begin.

    WES is an independent credential evaluation agency. Asking them about ECFMG/WHO/FAIMER is like asking a car mechanic about mechanical engineering. Of course it is irrelevant for them! They don't know anything about it!
    Firstly, you seem very hostile. Secondly, there is only one issue, not many, that is, WES will not do a credential service for St Chris and/or if you happened to transfer St Chris credits to another school i.e/ ROSS, then WES will not do one for the latter either. Lastly, your analogy is meaningless and demonstrates to me that you just don't get it.

    So, let me educate you just a bit:

    World Education Services (WES) is the leading source of international education intelligence. WES is a not for profit organization with over thirty years’ experience evaluating international credentials. WES provides more than 50,000 evaluations each year that are accepted by thousands of academic institutions, employers, licensing and certification boards and government agencies in the U.S. and Canada.

    Now, in order for acceptance of transfer credits to U.S Colleges and/or Universities it is a requirement that the credits come from accreditation from the following list of Regional Accrediting Bodies:

    Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (MSA)
    Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges (NASC)
    North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA)
    New England Association of Schools and Colleges, Inc. - Commission on Institutions of Higher Education (NEASC-CIHE)
    Southern Association of Schools and Colleges - Commission on Colleges (SASC-CC)
    Western Association of Schools and Colleges - Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges (WASC-Jr)
    Western Association of Schools and Colleges - Accrediting Commission for Senior Colleges and Universities (WASC-Sr)

    IF NOT: Then one will require an INDEPENDENT credential evaluation service from WES, et al provides.

    So, it is not surprising that you had a HARD time deciding where to begin since you seemingly missed that point all together. Just like WES is INDEPENDENT so too is FAMIER - a non-profit foundation committed to improving world health through education, and ECFMG - the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates who assesses the readiness of international medical graduates to enter residency or fellowship programs in the United States that are accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME)....

    I could go on, but I just realized I am wasting my time trying to explain this to you. Just know this: These are the types of issues that will re-surface come time for state licensure as they will require evaluated transcripts and could care less whether FAIMER/WHO/ECFMG approved your time in residency.

    Thanks for wasting my time. However, I am looking for some real useful input or suggestion from others who may have had similar problem.

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    LOLOL

    I have about 10 years admissions experience specifically with transcript evaluation. You're not going to educate me with anything realted to WES or any other type of transfer-related issue.

    Have fun.
    Tipton Carlson
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    Tipton is correct. Anything from WES would be useless for medical licensing in the US.

    The only things that matter for getting a med. lic. in the US with regard to the school are:

    1) If the school is listed in IMED (Yes, it is)

    2) If that listing was active during the period you attended the school (The listing is active for the years 2000-Present)

    3) If you can sit for the Step exams (Yes, you can)

    4) If you can get ECFMG certified once your get your degree (Yes, You can)

    5) If your degree is accepted for licensure in the state where you are applying for a license (That depends, you have to check with the state where you want to get licensed)

    The only verification service that one can use for the purpose of applying to a residency program, fellowship, or for medical licensure is the Federation Credentials Verification Service which is offered by the Federation of State Medical Boards.

    As far as transferring to a US university, every case I have heard of since the 90's involved the student starting over from scratch, so there would be no need or reason to get anything evaluated by WES.

    Concerning employment, I can't imagine any prospective employer asking for anything other than the FCVS offered by the FSMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipton View Post
    LOLOL

    I have about 10 years admissions experience specifically with transcript evaluation. You're not going to educate me with anything realted to WES or any other type of transfer-related issue.

    Have fun.
    Mr. 10 Years Admissions:

    Since I can't educate you, why not educate me? Who am I to argue with an admissions expert right? So, tell me then, assuming you are true to your calling, when a reputable U.S. University requests a credential service from WES or alike, as required, in lieu of a regional accreditation, how does one transfer credits from a foreign institution without the transcripts being evaluated by an independent body? This should be an easy one coming from a transcript expert no doubt...

    I'm guessing your going to either say, " you don't" or "it's not needed for residency or licensure". But, keep in mind I am requiring it for transfer purposes and for state licensure. Hence, I am sitting on the edge of my seat hoping for a much more comprehensive suggestion rather than the mechanic versus the mechanical engineer analogy however. One that I doubt you will be able to answer, unless of course, U.S. Colleges and Universities and State Licensing Boards have it all wrong and you have it all right. Right?

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