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Old 01-29-2007, 01:25 PM
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it's better to turn the tables and stay right on 'em. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
When dealing with a state government that really doesn't like offshore schools to begin with, not so much.....
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G.

but all that's really pending is financials right...just sorting out who got what and who needs to pay back what? Sounds like the old administrators still need to give back $200,000 - $300,000 or so. The ownership itself is no longer in dispute. The old administrators have finally returned the student's records so that's okay too. Sounds like the majority of the legal stuff is behind them.
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Probably, but the fact that there is still contention about all of that stuff may be viewed in a negative light. Oregon hasn't always been fair in the past, have they? They may just look at the fact that there are court cases pending, and say "the school has legal issues". If they keep you on their hit list, they won't lose any sleep. I would let everything settle, and get the school running smoothly for a little while before calling attention to myself.
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Good point

You are absolutely right. We don't want St. Chris to end up like this:



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Probably, but the fact that there is still contention about all of that stuff may be viewed in a negative light. Oregon hasn't always been fair in the past, have they? They may just look at the fact that there are court cases pending, and say "the school has legal issues". If they keep you on their hit list, they won't lose any sleep. I would let everything settle, and get the school running smoothly for a little while before calling attention to myself.
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i personally have sent information to Alvin Contreras about all of above mentioned things...

a certain VMD "consumer advocate" (i wont mention names) seems to have a hold on oregon for some reason...

I sent court docs for the UK.. his response --> not valid in the US.. we're a different legal system.

I sent DfES listing... along with original charter and the updated letter--> response.. we can only accept things directly from the Minister of Education...

it goes on and on... now mind you every time someone new asks... they "know" that we're not listed in the DfES... i've actually sent e-mails from various account asking the same questions.. just to confirm for myself.. they either forget the info sent to them the previous day..

oregon is a disaster that is being run by 2 people who for some reason really want to hold SCIMD down... i still haven't figured out why...

if you want to try for yourself... contact them and tell them that their info is outdated and incorrect... and see what the answer you get is... it pretty amusing...
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oregon is a disaster that is being run by 2 people who for some reason really want to hold SCIMD down... i still haven't figured out why...

if you want to try for yourself... contact them and tell them that their info is outdated and incorrect... and see what the answer you get is... it pretty amusing...
Exactly why I think it is better not to try to deal with them until the dust settles. Some people will do all they can to push their own agenda, no matter how illogical it is. When dealing with a state, you are at their mercy. There is no 2 way dialogue. I don't think it is proper for a student ( I am assuming you are a student, correct?) at the school to be sending in documentation. I think this may send up red flags for them as well. It is typically the minister of education or a school official who should deal with those issues. Just another thing to make them look at you funny. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything. I understand where you are coming from. Imagine you are on the board of Oregon and you get documentation about a medical school from a student. Doesn't that just seem out of place?
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i'm not a current student... i graduated...

and when i approached oregon.. i never told them i was a student...

i started by saying that i am interested in attending SCIMD.. but the state i'm interested in practicing in uses oregons list of schools that are not acceptable.... and i sent this to the general oregon e-mail address...

i got a reply the same day saying...

"st christopher's aka MUAB, aka scimd, no longer operates in the UK.. they were bought by MUAB and moved to the carribean island of belieze..."

almost like someone copied all the rumors from VMD and put them together..

So i probed very politely and said "hmmm... i called the school and they told me they still located in luton and have never been bought by MUAB and are still run by a school in senegal"

She then replies..."well according to the UK they can't provide visa's to you so you shouldn't go because this would be HUGE mistake...."

so i replied... "well i called them... asked them about this.. and they sent me these documents from proving they are allowed to operate there yada yada..." i asked if she wanted a copy and she said yes.. so i sent it to her... That when i asked if i could talk to someone who knows what is going on because she obviously was out of the loop...

Thats when i was refered to Alvin who sent me an e-mail which he just copied the stuff posted on their website and said these are all verrified facts..

So i started again... and thats when the whole circular argument came in with him pointing out one place he liked today.. then not tomorrow.. but then yes again the next...

i never once said i had anything to do with SCIMD... just someone asking questions.. plus all the documents i sent to him.. are all publically available and posted all over the internet... mostly by his own guy AZ... i sent nothing that you can't find just using google...

i really really encourage you to just contact them and ask questions about why are there so many mistakes on their website?... pretend to be anyone you want... and then watch how poor their arguement or reasons are... please even prove something to them... then contact them from another e-mail asking the same question you just proved... MAGIC... like the first time they've ever heard it...
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OK, with the whole story it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. G
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Go Teratos!

Teratos is on fire today and making some really good points. He must be drinking. J

Contrary to popular belief ** doesn’t have Oregon’s ear. As far ** goes…he’s just got it in his head that St. Chris is bad and should be closed and I don’t think anything will change his mind. Life changes constantly and closed minded people miss out on a lot.
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Actually, I have a wicked case of gastroenteritis. Can't do anything but lay on the couch. To add insult to injury I threw my back out during a particularly nasty wretching session, so I can't move without a lot of pain. I get dystonia from anti-emetics, and pain meds make me nauseated. Today is not going so well.
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