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Any news fron SC ???

Azkeptic and I have traded shots several times and have cooperated in other manners. This is just business, he knows that, I know that.

Residency, less strict than licensing, requires a training license in most states, or training permit, or whatever the state wants to call it. Normally an ECFMG certificate and good reference letters can get you into one, depending on how competitive it is. You go through the hospital's program director and hiring committee and are granted a contract, renewable every year and you are disposable at any time if you are incompetent, a trouble maker, a bad team player or the hospital runs out of funds. Little state intervention at this point, unless you are a big screw-up, then you will have the State up to it's eye balls in your case. The hospital must ensure you are competent to the state. Otherwise, guy's that walk in suits and ties and have a J.D. will have a feast and the hospital will loose its funds, accreditation and probably will end up being an apartment complex. I know some states that let you do residency in it but won't license you.

Licensing, requires all of the above plus completion of a training period that varies from 2-5 years depending on specialty. States have the last say. You may have done residency at Mayo clinic, and if the State you are applying deems the school you graduated from no-good, you are done for in that state. Also you better have a clean criminal record, nothing pending, in some states, not even civil cases. Different states have different rules, we know about California, Texas, Oregon, Indiana, etc. More technicalities than this, I tried to keep it as simple as possible.

Accreditation, a government body recognizes the degrees of an institution as totally valid and equal to those offered in such jurisdiction. An accrediting body, like the Middle States of Colleges and Universities, for example, pays a visit to the school, evaluates it in and out (everything, facilities, finances, professorship qualifications, etc. you name it they do it) and renders a decision to accredit it, meaning it has a high standard or and acceptable standard of education. Meets or exceeds, deficiencies, they can conditionally accredit your school until improvements are done, or simply say, no. But they will tell you why you failed to get accredited. LCME schools. California does this (site visits)to all so called pseudo-American offshore medical schools, (Ross, AUC, St. Georges, and almost everyone in the Caribbean). To State (or Government)sponsored schools, they normally go through diplomatic protocol and most of the times, accept the degree since it is assumed the foreing government has certain quality control processes in place to ensure the quality of education. In other words, it is not a cash cow. Texas is doing the same thing, I need to verify this.

Recognition, meaning that a jurisdiction knows about your school through another governmental body or an evaluation agency such as IMED-FAIMER, ECFMG, WHO. Almost any school can get this, as long as the school has a valid charter (pay its dues) there is no quality control, or very little if any, or it is not guaranteed. Reason why you have so many private medical schools in the Caribbean and other places around the Globe.



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Thank you for your response. Don’t they even look at the name and date on the charter?

What are the req. to get listed on IMED-FAIMER’s list? Will any charter do? Can you say send them a charter for a school in Belize and tell them that it also covers a college under a different name in England? Can you piggy back a charter from another school? Like, send in a copy of a charter from a University in Senegal and claim that it also covers your branch campus in England under another name?

Can a person open a medical school with a charter from one country and then change charters and cont. running the same school? Does a change in country of charter have any effect on student credits and degrees? If, a school loses its charter can it cont. operating until it gets a new one or do they have to close? How does a student go about verifying that the college they want to attend has a valid charter? School officials of course will claim to have one but is there a third party that can verify it? Isn't it illegal for a med school to operate without a charter?

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Thank you empathy

I actually have the same question. I know you can contact the gov't such as the ministry of education when it pertains to Belize and they can verify such information. I just do not know about any other country. Please someone answer this question posted above? thank you

Don’t they even look at the name and date on the charter?

Who? the medical licensing boards or ECFMG? Some medical boards do that, others don't. I do not know the ratio though. ECFMG? As long as it is a valid charter issued from a Country of charter, yes they look at the dates to make sure applicants are in effect covered by the effective dates of charter.

What are the req. to get listed on IMED-FAIMER’s list?

Easy, the the host country issues you a charter recognizing you as an education establishment. Most countries do a site visit to make sure the school in fact exists. You normally pay a charting and licensing fee, which translates into $$$ for the government, the fee varies from $25,000 and up depending on the country.

Will any charter do?

Technically, yes, as long as it is valid and legal by the host country, why not?


Can you say send them a charter for a school in Belize and tell them that it also covers a college under a different name in England?

Yes, I have seen copies of letters sent by ECFMG to students asking clarification on this. Once the GOVERNMENT OF the country of Charter the confirms it, yes it can be done. IT MUST BE THE GOVERNMENT who confirms this to ECFMG, not the school.

Can you piggy back a charter from another school? Like, send in a copy of a charter from a University in Senegal and claim that it also covers your branch campus in England under another name?

Only the Government of the Country of charter can do that, not the school.

Can a person open a medical school with a charter from one country and then change charters and cont. running the same school?

Yes, AUC did that when they moved from Montserrat. Grace attempted it several times, but the never kept up paying their dues on their new countries of host, etc. and ran into trouble. Otherwise, I don't see any legal impediment.

Does a change in country of charter have any effect on student credits and degrees?

That will be up to the new host country and school management. ECFMG would ask clarification, and if the explanation is satisfactory, green light. Licensing authorities can say no and turn you down. But legally, there is nothing illegal with it.

If, a school loses its charter can it cont. operating until it gets a new one or do they have to close?

Normally the host government makes that decision and it has everything to do with the circumstances under why the school lost its charter ( poor academics, fraud, poor infrastructure, poor finances). Based on my experience, 8 out of 20 times they get shut down. The government can put the school on probation for a period of time as well.

How does a student go about verifying that the college they want to attend has a valid charter?

Directly through the ministry of education of the country of charter if they are listed in IMED-FAIMER or WHO. The listing may not be updated and the school may not even exist anymore, IT IS good practice to spend some extra dollars on phone calls and faxes to the government authorities. I do that as an independent agent, but of course, I charge for my services.

School officials of course will claim to have one but is there a third party that can verify it? Isn't it illegal for a med school to operate without a charter?

Yes, a third party can verify it, for a fee. I am in that business.
Normally it is illegal to operate without a charter, but as I said before it is up to each individual country to police that.

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Max

You contact the ministry of education or health, depending on the country and ask them to FAX CONFIRMATION to you. Never, never, never take the word on the phone at face value, get it in writting and signed and sealed by the minister him or herself.

so, all St. Chris needs to be okay is for Senegal to keep vouching for the charter? Right? It doesn't matter if they operated from 1998 to 2000 using a Belize charter or may have floated for a few years 2000 to 2003 without one? As long as Senegal is willing to cover for them then the school can stay in business? And all they need for Senegal to keep vouching it sounds like is money.

Sorry to keep bugging you but this is the first time someone has stopped insulting me long enough to explain things.

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But don't confuse them with Grace. St. Chris did not get a Belize charter until this year. Before that, it has allegedly been Senegal. I don't know were you got the 1998-2000 charter from Belize thing, but it was not SC. The period between 2000-2003 remains a mistery to me, but as long as Senegal states and swears that they were covered during that period of time, end of story.

Nope, I do not pretend to insult you and you are not bugging me. I am willing to answer your questions, as far as my abilities permit.

one of the St. Chris cheerleaders posted the belize thing a few months back...I'll dig thru on Sat. and try to find it. Gotta paint now. Thank you!

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New to me, I do not recall one. I do know Grace did that after they were kicked out of St. Kitts. As far as I remember SC, they always claimed to be charted in Senegal, though they thought were British, ha ha ha!